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OK I've been advised to ask good questions and here's a really good one! Of course I am a relative beginner, have a few hundred coins including a nice Morgan dollar from 1921, a 2 reichsmark piece from WW2, couple of duits, some nice shillings, francs etc... Anyway, the actual question is this - I am looking for a PVC-free coin collector, I don't fancy using slips inside a cheaper PVC-based folder (coin compartments actually made of pVC? - no thanks!) as this is a tad odd to me, cumbersome etc..so basically, where do I get a nice PVC-free coin album/folder from? I might buy from U.S. but would ideally prefer to cut postal costs and buy from UK. Are there any recommendable companies at all? Anyway, I'll leave it in your hands Thanks, Matt PS: I don't want one with the coin range I must collect set out beforehand I just want a blank folder and sleeves to fit various different sizes... ***Edited by Forum Mom to move to Main Coin Forum*** |
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Forum Mom
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Some people prefer the Whitman albums; some prefer Dansco. I personally like the Dansco best. The best source I've found for supplies at a reasonable price with great customer service is Brent-Krueger. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Like Susan I perfer Dansco albums, however I believe my source is much better http://www.tradewindssupplies.com/ fast service great customer service Candy and Paul are just great. Just tell them Bruce from Mesa AZ said to call. just so you know I get nothing for tell you this there just great people. Edited by BRUCE 1947
04/21/2007 6:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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So there is no misunderstanding, in no way am I saying that Brent Krueger is not a excellent coin supplier of coin supplies. I have dealt with them many times they are very good I just use tradewinds now, sorry if it came of any other way.
Bruce.
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I get mine from this company http://www.amazon.com/BCW-Pro-20-Po...13061&sr=1-5each page holds 20 coin flips and you can arrange your coins how you like them and not how some company wants them put in their books lol I had to add that. but they work good for me and the price is great. (for me anyway) Susan if I am not allowed to put this in (the web page) please feel free to remove it thanks Gary |
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Mylar flips and Polypropylene pages are both PVC free. Polypropylene pages are usually designed to go into standard 3 ring binders. I don't know who sells them in England but it shouldn't be a problem to find them--they're pretty standard items. The down side to Mylar--(hard flips) is that they are difficult to work with. There's a risk of getting rubs on coins so it depends on what your going to collect. If your going to collect circulated coins than rubs are pretty irrelevant.
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Curious subject. Sorry I can't help you with the prices, but I got out the old Whitmans and Danscos I have to see what they did to my coins over 30 years. I'm not a metallurgist, but I have worked in paper chemistry for years, and am aware of the wondrous properties of aluminum sulfate, or alum, for sizing and paper machine drainage improvement. Unfortunately, sulfur is not the most stable of molecules, and can become highly reactive with metals like copper and silver (this is close to old photography chemistry). You would expect that over time it would have its effect on coins. And so it has....particularly on the Roosevelt and Mercury dimes that had been shoved down in the album holes and had their reverses in contact with the backing paper. In general the reverses of the coins were covered with little spots of discoloration. Sometimes obverses were affected, too - usually tarnish-darkening. Copper wasn't affected as much as silver (though the tarnishing is there), and it didn't affect the more circulated coins as much as the XF-AU's. From what I've seen of old silver coins with black rims, I had expected to see that, too, but maybe these coins haven't been in the folder long enough. I assume that the paper used for coin albums has been upgraded over the years to remove the sulfur, but with all the problems with hairline scratching, fingerprints, PVC corrosion, etc. I've gone away from books and flips. My collection is housed loose in a spanish cedar Macanudo Vintage Cabinet III cigar box. While that may seem crude, I've never seen any problems from contact with the wood, or from coin to coin friction (I'm no Redfield...I wish). If I want to look at a coin's rim to count reeds or see the inscription, there it is. If I want to do side-by-sides for grade comparison, there they are. Snapping the catch on that cigar box to look a pile of accumulated memories is always satisfying. Sadly, I've had to move a lot of it to a safety deposit box.... "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Personally I like the dansco coin stock album where you get the polypropylene pages with 2x2 pockets while still getting the dansco album & slipcase attractiveness. If you do not have access to dansco albums in the UK then lighthouse will give you a close alternative to the dansco coin stock book/slipcase via their Numis line which also comes with a slipcase if thats what you like http://www.leuchtturm.de/epages/leu...log/C010586/ |
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks all for replying. I wanted to see the replies a couple of days ago but I couldn't find my post - moved it!!! LOL I have since bought one off ebay, but it's unclear what the pages are made of! An answer on that would be very helpful. I'm also intrigued by the coin tubes found on the Brent-Kreuger link because I couldn't find those anywhere on ebay! Though if I spent more time on it maybe I'd find them everywhere... -Matt |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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As usual many misunderstandings about PVC. Try looking it up on Google. In reality it is a highly stable substance which melts at 212 degrees. The components are H, C & Cl or Hydrogen, Carbon and Chlorine. None are what damages a coin. Additives are added such as Phthalates and are added to make PVC flexible. These subtances leak out over a period of time and can damage coins but as they are used up the leakage stops or slows down dramatically making PVC not so damaging. If the PVC is now very non flexible it is also not dangerous to metals.
As to folders containing Sulfur that is usually another misunderstanding of their production methods. Folders for coins are basically for show and tell and not ment to be for the presevation of coins. The reason is the manufacturing process and the method of coin inserting. A roll of paper is slabbed with glue, a slotted piece of cardboard is slapped on that, allowed to dry and presto, you have a coin folder. Many are manufactured by companies that never made them before so any glue is used regardless of chemical coupounds. Most coins are pressed into these slots with a thumb or even a rubber mallet. If the coins are to small and fall out many just wet the glue at the rear of the slot and the coin is now glue in place. It is that glue the damages the coins along with the thumb print full of bodily oils and acids.
I've been using Whitman and Dansco Albums now for many, many years and no adverse effect on any coins. Of course for long term storage placing those in a plastic freezer type bag adds to the coins protection.
The only problem you should have is finding a supplier of those in other countries. However, with the magic of the internet there may be suppliers in the UK as well. If not try asking in such forums as this one or the many other coin forums available. The PCGS forum for example has well over 20,000 members and some may be suppliers of such albums.
Good luck.
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Pillar of the Community
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I am troubled by yet another 'misunderstanding' of yours (sic) - namely the persistent usage of 'not so damaging'!!!?
Just how damaging does a substance have to be?
With regards to flexibility, the sheets are VERY flexible - shall I wait until all the Phthalates have leached out onto my coins and the PVC is once again good and stable and sturdy?
Edited by NumisMattyUk
04/26/2007 11:45 am
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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On the other hand, maybe it will be OK - here is what they have said in the reply to my email to "leuchtturm":
Dear Matt,
Thanks for your mail.
"Yes, the material which comes in contact with the coins is free of any chemical softeners.
Best regards,
Mit freundlichen Grüßen"
Should I trust them?
Edited by NumisMattyUk
04/26/2007 11:44 am
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