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New Member
United States
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I am looking for a little history on the coin I found.   Identified - moved to Exonumia forum - Sap |
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Valued Member
Canada
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Can you post a picture of the edge and the weight and diameter please. Plus do a quick magnet test I know it is common sense but people often forget the basics
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Valued Member
Canada
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upon further inspection the rims seem a little thick and I think I can see birds in the water looks like another Chinese fake has hit the market.
And correct me if I'm wrong but I believe real Sun Yat-sen junk dollars do not have script across the top on the reverse.
Don't scrap it just yet because it could be a warlord fake which still have silver in them
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...I think I can see birds in the water... Yep, it's a fantasy. This "coin" is based on the "three birds junk" silver dollar dated Year 21 (AD 1932). The design was scrapped after a relatively brief mintage because people said the rising sun looked Japanese and the three birds resembled a flight of warplanes. Curiously, on this copy, the birds have been placed at 180 degrees to their "proper" positions, and have become flying fish. No doubt if someone pointed this out to the peddlers of these fakes, they'd exclaim that it must be a rare error coin and double their price.  If your coin is typical of the cheaper fake/fantasies, it's likely that it sticks to a magnet, and it's likely to weigh considerably less than the "book weight" of 26.7 grams. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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Yep, it's a fantasy... Actually, it is not a "fantasy" coin. Authentic coins like this exist although they are pattern coins, extremely rare, and never circulated. The Chinese inscription (e'本位币壹圆) near the top rim on the reverse side translates as "Gold Standard Coin, One Yuan". There are several varieties of this pattern coin known to exist depending on whether the coin has a plain edge, reeded edge or a plum blossom edge. One of these pattern coins came up for auction in 2008. If you click on the image you can see that this particular specimen has the " plum blossom" edge. The coin at the auction went unsold but an authentic coin would certainly sell for several hundred thousand US dollars. I am certain the OP coin is a reproduction. These "fakes" are made in large quantities and sell for a dollar or two. Gary |
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Actually, it is not a "fantasy" coin. Authentic coins like this exist although they are pattern coins, extremely rare, and never circulated. Excellent, I did not know that. I have got to get me a decent, illustrated catalogue of these patterns. Krause is useless for the purpose. Quote:
I am certain the OP coin is a reproduction. Alas, I still have to agree. And I think that my general hypothesis, that the design was modified from a "regular" three-birds-junk dollar, still stands; comparing the shapes of the characters around the junk on the genuine pattern with the ones posted in the OP and the difference is easy to spot. Further, the birds appear to be in different places. The counterfeiter clearly didn't have a genuine pattern coin to work from. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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United States
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Apparently ebay doesn't get too involved in their ratings and such because I just bought one of these coins posted above. Advertised as 1934 but I was already sure it was 1932. Fortunately I bought it as a replacement for a lost sun yat sen 1932 that was given to me when I was young for sentimental value and later lost. Can't imagine why anyone would go to all the trouble to fake a coin only to produce a nonexistent pattern on it. Seriously! Also, the people I bought it from relisted more of the exact same item. |
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United States
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Something both myself and the original poster didn't mention (assuming they are the same) is that this item is 45mm in diameter - not the 39 and change that true junk dollars are. It isn't magnetic so I guess that is something. Fortunately, in this case, I bought it as a replacement for something that was given to me as a child which had sentimental value more than anything else. Lesson learned.
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