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Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 8:21 pm Would anybody here have any idea what happened to this 1964-p penny? Any information would be appreciated. I also have a 1951-d with similar markings, but it is much more worn and does not photograph very well. Thank you for your time. Report this Post to the Staff

eddio Pillar of the Community Canada 1330 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 8:47 pm is this your coin because it looks like a Photoshop job.if its not you may have something very interesting there.. Report this Post to the Staff
Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 9:10 pm No, this is really how the coin looks, quite bizzare. I don't actually own photoshop ;-) Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 9:32 pm What does the reverse look like? Report this Post to the Staff
Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 9:45 pm It shows the effects of the obverse second strike, however there is no doubling. I will post a pic of the reverse shortly. Edited by Sudz 02/13/2013 10:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 9:56 pm The reason I ask is that the same doubling should be present on both sides in order for it to be a true error. If it is just on one side, it might be a soft die PMD coin? But I'll wait for the second image... Report this Post to the Staff
Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 02/13/2013 10:04 pm Here you go, it sure took a heavy hit at some point. If it is a soft die PMD, how does it happen? Edited by Sudz 02/13/2013 10:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 12:41 am As soon as I saw the ghosting, I asked: How much does it weigh? Report this Post to the Staff
bpoc1 Rest in Peace United States 4078 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 06:19 am Very interesting. Can't wait for the validity. Off topic. Coop, that is to much with the cat. Report this Post to the Staff
Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 10:33 am While I have been collecting coins (from change) for more than 50 years, this is my first foray into error coins. Therefore I have some stupid questions, please bear with me. Why did ghosting trigger the question of weight and what would be the best way to go about getting this validated should it come to that? The problem is I live 4 hours from the nearest big city and there are no coin dealers nearby. Sorry for being such a newbie. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 11:10 am A soft die is one that someone makes outside of the mint. To try to create a normal coin into an error coin. But with the faked doubling on the obverse, you should see the correct alignment on the reverse. That is not what your coin shows. It is bent and they hammer the coin to make the obverse look like the coin was double struck, but it's a fake. Here is a real double struck cent: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...OUNT_OBV.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...OUNT_REV.jpg Note the rotation of the doubling shows on both sides of the coin. The coin was struck once and didn't leave the chamber and moved, then struck a second time. The strikes fields/devices are altered according to where they are struck over. https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_01.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_02.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_03.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_04.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_05.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_06.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_07.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_08.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_09.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_10.jpg https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...LOUNT_11.jpg The soft dies will only show a weak impression because of the last of strength of the die and the press is stronger with the mints presses. Report this Post to the Staff
Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 11:23 am Richard, Thank you so much for your help with this. I have learned alot from all this. You have answered a question that has been bothering me since I found this coin in a bag from the bank months ago. I should have come here first. As for the coin, I guess I'll just toss it. Thanks again. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 11:39 am I'd save it as an educational piece to show new ones. What are you out? One cent. Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2738 Posts	Posted 02/14/2013 12:12 pm As Coop said, this is a fake, "one-sided" double strike. There are a large number of double and multi-struck 1964 cents that look like this. They vary in quality, with this being one of the poorer efforts. If you don't want it, I'd be glad to add it to my collection of altered and counterfeit coins. Error coin writer and researcher. Edited by mikediamond 02/14/2013 12:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
mikediamond Pillar of the Community United States 2738 Posts	Posted 07/30/2013 2:49 pm Thanks so much for this addition to my reference collection. One thing you didn't mention is that the coin is expanded to the diameter of a nickel. Both the coin and the fake obverse die must have expanded simultaneously on impact. I guess you could consider this a combination fake one-sided double strike and " Texas Cent". Error coin writer and researcher. Report this Post to the Staff
Sudz Pillar of the Community United States 1572 Posts	Posted 07/30/2013 3:30 pm You are welcome. It is where it should be. Report this Post to the Staff
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