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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 10/20/2016  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is great..thanks so much!
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 Posted 10/20/2016  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmgi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi yup, an analyst said that if gold closes above the 200 day moving average, which it looks to me like it did yesterday (the 19th), then that would be a good sign for the uptrend. Is that accurate, or would gold need to close above a shorter term moving average? Thanks!
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 Posted 10/20/2016  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here comes that selling I was referring too in earlier posts.

Constructive price action in the past few weeks for gold and silver, breaking the range and had follow through. Now we get selling pressure, not really surprised.

I think this is the kind of price action we see for a while, back and forth. I would watch and see IF the range created last week gets violated.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmgi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi yup, what particular chart time frame do you prefer to use to spot trends?
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@jmgi

I covered this briefly a week ago but basically, moving averages are used as reference points. They are not gospel, they are not concrete set points.

With that thought in mind, many institutions like to buy around these MAs, as an example, sometimes a dip buying or pull back area is the 50 day where bounces happen, as buyers show up

With gold, and other commodities, some funds and institutions like to make their buys, in an uptrend which is key, they do NOT go buying the 200 in a downtrend.. but in an uptrend they like to get involved around/at the 200 day.

So that could be something to look at, but again, closing above the 200 day doesn't mean that it will EXACTLY play out like that. There are times when assets, such as gold, can plunge PAST the 200 day. So, as I have learned, MAs, all of them are solely reference points, guide points but not are set in stone and shouldnt be solely as the main guide.

Without going further into the MAs, we did see some miners blast past the 200D and now are above it and we say some that did not even come close to the 200 day. This is why again, they are solely reference points. One might be waiting for the 200 day for confirmation and it doesn't happen.

So long story short, yes you could use the 200 day as your reference but dont be surprised if it slices, dices around it. Thats why I always use first and foremost price action, I like to use price levels and ranges to determine what the next move.

I think going forward, we need more time for silver and gold to get going and I think it will happen little by little, right now almost all assets are pretty much doing 1 step forward, 2 back sort of things... its messy what can I say.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmgi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yup, thank you for the informative response, it really helps me out trying to understand trends better.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jmgi

I spot trends not with charts first, but by constant scanning/searching every day all market asset classes. So in other words, if I am looking for trends in stocks, I use a stock screener to look for stocks making 52 highs if I am buying and from there I whittle down to the best looking price patterns.

Then I go down the list and look at commodities, currencies, bonds etc.

I look to see what assets are either making fresh 52 highs, what sectors or industry groups if it is stocks as an example.

When it comes to charts, I identify the current place or price of the asset in relation to time frames. So I like to start using a 3 month daily chart and a one year daily chart. To further bring things together, many times its good to line up a weekly chart and daily.

The trends tho first come from looking over the asset classes and seeing whats moving, in what direction.

As an example, some assets, BEFORE they start making yearly highs, also known as 52 week highs, which is complete confirmation of an uptrend, some assets start to shape up and breaking higher, upward, on trendlines from say a 3 month chart which might actually be closer to 52 lows.

As time goes on, the trend lines continue to be broken higher and eventually, the asset starts hitting 52 highs.

Along with the price action, the element of time helps the process along.
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 Posted 10/22/2016  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pretty boring week for gold and silver. HOwever, never think because it was boring, that in turns nothing is happening. Indeed, time periods of chop and sideways action lead and give clues to the overall trend and next move of importance.

We saw last week gold try and pop higher out of its range, pull back and then settle at the upper end. From a technical view point in terms of price, gold looks much stronger than gold as it left the week at a point where it could build on last weeks push up.

Silver is pretty much just range bound, in its range. It started moving higher from the lower end of the range and as the end of the week rolled around, it lost steam.

I expect pretty much this type of price action for the coming weeks, months. We will continue to monitor how these ranges are broken to determine the health of this trend. Least you have forgotten or allowed yourself to lose sight, gold and silver remain in up trends.

At the sake of boring everyone, I am going to repeat myself. This is not a pretty up trend. However, these short term moves lower can happen in an uptrend, especially when an asset breaks a long term downtrend, that overhead supply is present for a while and the only that helps the trend is the element of time. I repeat- BREAKING A FOUR YEAR DOWN TREND WAS HUGE. The buyers did not come all this way to just walk away from silver and gold.

Finally, most assets, whether they be bonds, commodities, currencies, and stocks are all struggling to get any direction (the US markets have been stuck in ranges for a good 3 years now), most assets have been and are been sideways for a long time now. So dont let the long term sideways action distract you because the move will happen, whichever way it goes, when you least expect and turn your head away. The assets that are following a steady grind higher or lower are few.

This will end, in time. But thats just it, we need to let TIME work its magic.
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 Posted 10/22/2016  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Take a look at MAG Silver..even on days spot down, it's been on a tear up..don't know where all that $$$$$ is coming from, or why, but, I'll take it!
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Yes, nice price in a shorter time frame.

Sloppy chart longer term, but yes clear accumulation as evidenced by the volume on 3 days last week.

Thats why you have to always just keep looking, take everyday one day a time. Things are happening UNDERNEATH and most of it IS NOT going show up as front page financial news. I usually find gems in the market in these time periods when I dig deep in the stock scans. For the most part I have not been looking at the miners as that would limit my universe. I dont want to talk my book but look at charts like BPT, IDCC, IGT, CC NATH ARLP CLD SXC and so on... there is always something brewing underneath the surface in these time periods of sideways, range bound, choppy action. I highly encourage everyone who wants to just focus on gold and silver miners to make a stock screen at like finviz.com and just watch whats happening in all the miners.

You will notice, for whatever reason, a ton of upgrades been coming into that stock, I believe AG got upgraded that same day.

its also interesting to note that that stock made ALL TIME HIGHS back in September, in other words, there is ZERO over head supply in terms of price, there are no sellers at those levels because it broke above 18. That is a miner you want to watch going forward.

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 Posted 10/22/2016  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
today I had to scratch the itch and picked up another 10oz of silver....
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 Posted 10/23/2016  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ilikeikes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@YUP..can you make a Finviz chart for that(all miners), for free, or, do you have to have a paid subscription? I'd like to set one up tommorow, if possible...to get ready for the next weeks' activity.
Will go to their site, and poke around.
One of the few times I wished I had followed OTHER people's advice, was, awhile ago, someone said to take profits on AG..I blew it off as more noise.....and missed a large chunk of change in the process. I CAN'T go around doing things like this...yes, THAT time, I would have been spot on right....But, invarialbly, playing these buy-sell-buy--sell-buy back...games always is a loser for me..I have the best knack for selling..and, the next day...boom......I sold all my AG, in disgust. My Silvercrest is making up for that mistake, luckily.Now, hopefully MAG will grab the momentum bull by the horns...will have it in 2 accounts..1 for flipping, 1 for the long haul.
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 Posted 10/23/2016  12:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ilikeikes: I think one of the only ways you can invest with a clear conscious is to have a plan and stick to it. Then as time goes tweak for success... Basically you need a clear investing strategy. A plan. When you go in and when you get out should be defined and there's shouldn't be guess work or emotion that plays into it.

One of the biggest problems I've seen is people take profits from stocks that are winning but hold on to the losers.. IMO this is the worst thing to do.... Soar with the eagles and don't chase the turkeys is a phrase I like to use.
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@ilikeikes

Yes, as AgCoin says, you must have a plan and stick to it. In trading, in markets, there is no second guessing yourself.

As I mentioned on my post on this thread from October 4th, when gold broke 1317, I closed out all my positions in miners and booked profits. I am content, I dont feel at all any remorse, and I have no stress as prices go lower, in fact I could really careless if silver and gold plunge even lower, I Am not involved in that part of the market and have moved on for now.

Now, some people would say "that was dumb, you could have sold out even sooner and walked away with more money'. But that is foolish talk spoken only by fools. Due to my experience and knowledge, being through thousands of trades and thousands of patterns, I know that I MUST give a trend a wide leash, I know I will NOT exactly grab the entire move, but I WILL walk away with very nice profits and I will WIN.

We cannot PREDICT the future. In markets, you cannot say " oh if I had held longer" or "I should have sold sooner". Because we dont know what happens into the future, we MUST have a plan, concrete in the mind.

I will tell you from experience, when I was still learning, I had trades go where IF I did not have a plan and let an asset run and allow price to guide me, I would have either LEFT thousands on the table by jumping too early OR allowed gains to be erased by selling too late.

Quickly and with a plan, I fine tuned a method that is perfect for me and my time frame. It fits my emotional make up, my monetary goals and I Am quite happy. Which brings me to another point- what works for me most likely will NOT work for someone else.

For me, I prefer to decide to trim/book profits on a trade based on market conditions, changing chart structure, price behavior and my experience in reading the tape, recognizing the same patterns that repeat thousands of times and are repeat in various scenarios I have faced.

When I end the trade, I feel satisfied that I followed my plan and I never have regrets. Furthermore, there is no time to think of the past, there are new opportunities opening up in markets constantly, not to mention that there is no rule that doesn't say you can re-enter miners again, as an example.


Ill make a template on Finviz showing the miners tomorrow.



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Here is a Finviz screen for all gold miners, all exchanges, all prices and all volume-

http://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=ind_gold

Here is a screen for all silver miners, same as above.

http://finviz.com/screener.ashx?v=111&f=ind_silver

Please note, no OTC, no pink sheets.
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