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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 05/01/2013  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add barryg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I want to remind you all as I said last time,, the longer the base and chop, sideways movement, when the time comes for the real move,breaking out of this range, it will be big, swift and furious, either up or down.


Either up or down? I thought PMs were in a downtrend and significantly lower prices were definitely coming. Are you now saying that the downtrend could actually reverse (meaning that now might actually be the time to buy, buy, buy instead of sells, sell, sell)?
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 Posted 05/01/2013  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once the risk is gone so is the reward.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ironbrgde to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buy when you're comfortable with price not when some person on the internet tells you to or not to. It's your money and risk/reward, not theirs.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Either up or down? I thought PMs were in a downtrend and significantly lower prices were definitely coming. Are you now saying that the downtrend could actually reverse (meaning that now might actually be the time to buy, buy, buy instead of sells, sell, sell)?


They are in a downtrend, whats true to today isn't always true tomorrow though just like any other investment. Enron was once a great buy, Apple was once a terrible investment at the time. Things change
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 Posted 05/01/2013  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spikey Norman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Things change


Indeedy they do, including trends, and what matters is how quickly one realises and takes the requisite action. No-one can say for certain that the time to buy wasn't actually last week or that it might be in five years time or never. Anyone who thinks they are always on the money is delusional and that includes TA.

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 Posted 05/01/2013  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arksun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@barryg he was obviously speaking generally with that statement

Fun watching the crazy rollercoaster today, down and up, lets see what Sydney and Hong Kong markets do.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


The metals are in a downtrend, nothing has changed. This will be a long drawn out event, finding out if the metals have stopped falling and then, whether they will just chop around and do nothing or return to their glory days.

However, at this stage, we should not be surprised by continued retracements in price. We could see gold and silver fill their respective gaps. That would not be a surprise. We could then find them to fall down again. This constant up and down will build to a point, where in price, the range is broken eventually, with authority. Again, this is not going to be a 1-2-3 and we are off to the races.

The bottomline is by paying attention to price and volume, you can know where to buy, where not to buy. Obviously everyone whos been buying every single dip has been wrong. Why? because their investment, their purchases are underwater. The market is telling you that you were wrong for buying.

Those who use and concentrate on using technicals are in the superior position over those who blindly buy or sell because they "think its a great investment". I know I am right and will ALWAYS be right by the market for listening to it, not by giving my opinion and blindly sticking to something because it "HAS" to be that way.

So again to recap- we continue in a downtrend. Nothing has changed. Follow my posts and you will understand whats going on, dont lose focus. Cut out the noise and your biases and listen to the price action.

Again, we want to see gold and silver fill their gaps.
They both havent been able to,, gold came close to it but failed right to the penny. Same with Silver. Untill those gaps are completely closed we arent going anywhere for starters.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wjl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I made a nice 13% return by buying fear. The money can sit idle for the rest of the year. I'll buy or sell any 4 + standard deviation event as these are highly levered markets. Its actually much riskier to buy gold today than two weeks ago.
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05/01/2013 6:39 pm
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 Posted 05/01/2013  6:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1188howest to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What did Bill Clinton say?, something like "IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!

This current market is pro FED/PARASITIC and will rip every dollar it can from "your" future plans.




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Those who use and concentrate on using technicals are in the superior position over those who blindly buy or sell because they "think its a great investment". I know I am right and will ALWAYS be right by the market for listening to it, not by giving my opinion and blindly sticking to something because it "HAS" to be that way.


Ohhhhhh... you've been talking about technical analysis this whole time! Now I get you! That's like a religion, right? Those who believe in it have absolutely faith in it's ability to make predictions, while those who disagree are considered to be heretics and infidels...

I kid, of course, but it's nice to finally understand where you are coming from and understand where your biases lie.


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Technical analysis is widely used among traders and financial professionals and is very often used by active day traders, market makers and pit traders. In the 1960s and 1970s it was widely dismissed by academics. In a recent review, Irwin and Park reported that 56 of 95 modern studies found that it produces positive results but noted that many of the positive results were rendered dubious by issues such as data snooping, so that the evidence in support of technical analysis was inconclusive; it is still considered by many academics to be pseudoscience. Academics such as Eugene Fama say the evidence for technical analysis is sparse and is inconsistent with the weak form of the efficient-market hypothesis. Users hold that even if technical analysis cannot predict the future, it helps to identify trading opportunities.

Technical analysis stands in contrast to the fundamental analysis approach to security and stock analysis. Technical analysis analyzes price, volume and other market information, whereas fundamental analysis looks at the facts of the company, market, currency or commodity. Most large brokerage, trading group, or financial institutions will typically have both a technical analysis and fundamental analysis team.

-- From Wikipedia

So it seems as though you belong to the Church of Technical Analysis while many people here belong to the Church of Fundamental Analysis. Again, nice to know where you are coming from and why you keep saying the things you say. Also nice to know, however, that yours is somewhat of a "fringe" religion and that we should therefore take your views with a grain of salt.

Personally, I'm pretty much agnostic and get suspicious whenever anybody claims to "know the truth" and that everybody else is wrong, regardless of the position they take. It doesn't mean that person is necessarily wrong, mind you, but the more dogmatic somebody is the less likely I am to believe them.
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Listening to the tape is what pays. those are technicals,,and besides, I have been right, proved right by the market and you have been wrong and anyone else who blindly buys every dip,,, what else matters :)

If you don't like what I say, the solution is simple, don't read what I say. I will say this tho, the price action is never wrong... and clearly all of the dip buyers, every single one of you, is underwater, which says your method of buying doesn't work. :D

As I told you before, what matters to me is that the market proves me right, that's all.
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I have been right, proved right by the market and you have been wrong and anyone else who blindly buys every dip,,, what else matters :)


I haven't been wrong since I've never actually made any predictions other than my belief that gold and silver remain good long-term investments. Since I exclusively deal in physical metals and can't "short sell", buying the dips appears to remain a good strategy for long-term PM acquisition (especially since waiting for prices to "bottom out" leads to a lack of available supply and extremely high premiums).

Nor, for that matter, do I "blindly buy every dip." A few hundred here or a few thousand there is not exactly "going all in" for me, nor have I put all my eggs into the PM basket.
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Why are you so defensive that you write long novels? If it doesn't apply to you then why respond, tho I do think you are underwater and you will continue to be but that's just my opinion :)
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Why are you so defensive that you write long novels?




Yeahhhhhh.
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 Posted 05/01/2013  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You are "underwater" as soon as you make a PM purchase because of markup/shipping etc, Personally I would rather be a bit underwater with PM then alot underwater with paper.
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