I am pretty confident that these has been cleaned, I just need someone to say, yes it has been cleaned. Trying to sort out an old collection and am expanding my knowledge of what to look for. I do understand that they are not the best grade coins, but we have to start somewhere.
The 1st one has definitely been cleaned at some point, but not sure about the second one. Its harder to tell when it has been heavily circulated. Lets see what the experts have to say...
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