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Eritrea 1918 Tallero Counterfeit?

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Poll Question
Picked up this one but been checking online for some info on this, can't find much apart from that counterfeits of these coins have been around since the 60's and are supposedly
prevelant couldn't find any pics or anything so not sure about this one, weight is 27.8g, looks abit to dented around the rim maybe. Anybody have any input or pics to upload?

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On the edge should be the word FERT repeated a number of times interspersed with some simple decorations. Cheap fakes are reeded. The good indication that I can see is the engravers name Motti is visible ( not usually seen on fakes) the other thing is to check the "R" is it a true "R" or does it look like the letter K many fakes have a K instead of the "R"
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The hatching on the shield looks to be uniform and clear. Good sign if it was a fake is uneven hatching.
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Thanks for your input guys. my one looks like this. Can't distinquish any clear letter's but then again the edge is pretty messed up on this one, does it look ok?
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For grading that Edge is well gone. Likewise it doesn't make for easy authentication. On the other hand a forger would likely produce a much better edge. So on balance of probabilities yours is likely to be genuine
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ok is this what you were talking about the R's looking more like K's?
Eritrea-1918-Tallero-Counterfeit? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Italy-ITALI...047675.l2557
Eritrea-1918-Tallero-Counterfeit? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-Italy-...047675.l2557
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Not sure to be real or not, but seems to be a cast coin because the letters are odd. My coin weighs 27.98 grams and 9.4-39.8mm in diameter.

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Trouble with fakes is that they can be artificially worn to make them look better and they can pass as real.

I do not own a genuine Tallero but have seen a few. I do have a worn fake and a forgery with FERT that is silver. I also have the cheaply made Chinese knock offs with reeded edges. But all of them look DEAD. They lack that real struck look and none look like they have HIGH GRADE surfaces.

The originals are VERY beautiful well executed coins that retain their looks after quite a bit of circulation. They also tend to retain some mint luster in protected areas even at VF. I really do not see any of the beauty except for the posting of rob9099 with the darker background and even there it is not the obverse but the reverse that jumps out as real.

I also do not see the base of each letter having a split that rises part way up the leg.
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Thanks SwamperBob I have one of these in my collection. My wife purchased it in Addis Ababa a few years back. Initially I was sure it was genuine but I soon realized with my main collecting focus that one of the "best" places to find fakes is East Africa and the middle east. the counterfieters are doing a lot more than just ripping off collectors! I haven't really wanted to look at my one closely......MY wife wouldn't be too pleased about having bought me a fake!!
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I really do not see any of the beauty except for the posting of rob9099 with the darker background and even there it is not the obverse but the reverse that jumps out as real.
I also do not see the base of each letter having a split that rises part way up the leg.

So would that make it genuine or fake? My thoughts exactly swamperbob about the split of the letters. Here's one ANACS VF 35 which you can see the split is much more noticable than my original post pic.
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