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Frank Peri's Avatar
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 Posted 02/19/2013  2:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Frank Peri to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am new to collecting and refer to several price guides to help in buying decisions (red book, blue book, online info, etc.) But price guides vary and actual ( ebay) prices are all over the place compared to book values. What's a newbie to do to avoid getting burned too badly. I think I've been singed already.

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 Posted 02/19/2013  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paddy murphy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
these are great beginner 2 websites for guidance.

http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml

http://www.coinstudy.com/

Coin study is a "what should I get" when I sell website, and numismedia is a closer to reality prices you pay site. Of course nice coins always sell for a premium, try buying a XF Barber for the numismedia price...
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 Posted 02/19/2013  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Such is the developing question. There are those that would have you believe that Red Book , Blue Book, Graysheet can be thrown away, because the only real worth of a coin is what it goes for on ebay. Several times, on this and other forums, I have given my learned opinion on what the value of something might be, only to be told several posts later that I was misinforming because the you could get it cheaper than the value I stated on ebay.

Price guides are just that, guides. They take in to account ,age, mintages, supply (rarity), condition and assign a learned value based on their many years of numismatic experience. Use these guides as a base. Be leery of coins significantly lower than these guides and most certainly question the circumstances where you would pay more for the same coin that these guides describe.

As any economist will tell you, the value of a dollar is far more complex than " what a dollar will buy at McDonalds " The same goes for the value of a coin and ebay.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  3:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Frank Peri to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have reasoned that watching and recording several ebay auctions for a specific morgan coin MAY be best way to determine true market value at THAT POINT IN TIME for equivalent dollars ( TPG) ... willing seller to willing buyer. But these often bear no resemblance to the guides. Anyhow the challenge is always not to LOSE money!

Thanks
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Sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it. And at one point in time, we all get singed; the key is to learn from it.

Oh, and !
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 Posted 02/19/2013  4:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Bowden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, the thing to remember about prices at auctions is that they are auctions.

Think of buying a car privately at auction, and apply the same thought process to buying a coin privately through auction.
They are generally 'fire-sales', and the same seller obligations and consumer rights don't apply to auctions as they do to items purchased through a retailer.

I'm not against auctions - I would just say, buyer beware, and often you get what you pay for.
You can get bargains, you can get burnt - I accept this when I purchase through auctions, and do what I can to mitigate the risks by being diligent and careful.

To my mind an auction price is not representative of an items market value in a normal retail circumstance.

I look at feedback (actually look at the comments) to see how many problems the seller has encountered, and more importantly how the seller has reacted to the problem.
I want to know that if something goes so badly that I feel I need to return an item that the seller is going to be receptive and co-operative to their client's needs.

I am prepared to pay more to a seller I trust than I am to one that I don't know, as there is less risk.
I won't go near anyone that has too many problems or a bad attitude towards problems when they do occur.

It is also well worth making your own assessment based on what you can see. If you can't see the item well enough to determine a particular key detail, assume it isn't there.

If the image isn't good enough to reasonably see any likely detractors, assume they are there, etc.

You will be less likely to get burned if you buy based on your own knowledge and what you can see, rather than how the item is described.

I guess my point here is that to buy something by auction is a risk. Recognising this is important, as this then gives you the opportunity to reduce your exposure to the risk.

There are many good sellers out there, and there are many dodgy sellers.

Most are nice enough people with either little experience, or motivations based on maximising return, rather than developing long term relationships through good service.

Fair enough - they are private auctions ......


Hope this helps, or at least provides food for thought.

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02/19/2013 4:09 pm
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As for ebay, instead of watching or looking for active listings/bin prices check the option for cometed listings.. This will give you an idea of what people are and have actually been paying in real time.

I actually have a question regarding price guides also.. I use my RedBook more as a reference than a price guide and tend to use numismedia.com more for an estimate of prices.

I've noticed that USUALLY the redbooks prices are higher than what numismedia has them listed at... But the "usually" is where my question lies...

What about the instances where the RedBook price is below numismedia's price? Sometimes way below.. Usually it's the other way around and RedBook has them listed higher. For example look at an 1820 small date large cent in both and numismedia has it listed for more.. Far more.. Or another example is the 1853/4 arrows and rays Seated quarter... Numismedia has it listed for more again.. There are alot of other examples also but those are just two off the top of my head..

So I understand that usually if I look in RedBook I have to figure it's an exagerated price and numismedia is closer to fair market value... But what happens when RedBook has a listed price LOWER than numismedia? Then what do I do? Lol. Should I always just take both and find a number in between? Or?

It's just really confused me, I've paid close to the numismedia price for a few coins recently then realized the price in the RedBook was a bit less than I paid... So I've been wondering about this...
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You have to remember that numismedia is a weekly and online publication that can be adjusted weekly or daily if they want.

When RedBook publishes their yearly guide book, they have to try and determine prices that are going to be relevant all year.
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Denco7- Ya I understand that.. Thats actually a very good point! So I shouldn't be worried if I paid closer to numismedia's prices when it's listed far lower in RedBook then? That's my concern, lol.
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To Frank Perl,
Lots of good feedback so far. But may I add:
TRUST YOUR EYES!
And trust your instinctual reaction to a coin.
Even a new collector can easily learn the difference
between "shiny" and "honest."
Price guides and just that: guides. We say it all the time.
If you have, in any way, the least bit of hesitation about a coin then pass it by.

I have learned, after 50 years, to trust my instinct.
May it take you a much shorter time to do the same.

Sad to say, you will make a few mistakes along the way. We have all done so.
A five dollar mistake which prevents you from making a $50 or $500 mistake is WORTH the education.
It is part of the learning curve.

And ALWAYS, ask the membership for help and guidance. It is our pleasure to do so.
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 Posted 02/19/2013  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

As already noted when in doubt, ask here. Nothing to loose by asking. Just always take your time and think, think, think. If you loose out on a good thing, so what, there is always tomorrow.
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You have all been terrific. The community is great and has been very helpful already! I'm beginning to see collecting contains a lot of personal adventure, learnings, unknowns, contradictions and fun too! Thank you all.
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So I understand that usually if I look in RedBook I have to figure it's an exagerated price and numismedia is closer to fair market value... But what happens when RedBook has a listed price LOWER than numismedia? Then what do I do?


I would treat the same way as you would treat it if it was a higher price. All their prices are complied around the same time before their printing. The market does change since the prices arent set in stone so really at any time some of their prices can be more or less accurate its just hard to tell since theyre only updated once a year
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