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 Posted 04/24/2007  6:03 pm Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey Guys

Picked up 3 coins today

Marshall Islands - $50 - 1998 - USS Fanning/USS Nicholson
Marshall Islands - $50 - 1998 - USS Monitor
Marshall Islands - $50 - 1998 - USS Louisville

Trying to collect only WWII themes but I only got em cause they were right at BV!!

Lookin for KM#'s and I believe the prices are $55 each still. I cannot for the life of me find them in my 33rd Edition Krause.
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 Posted 04/24/2007  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edix to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that if you look hard enough, many of those Marshall Islands $50 silver coins can be had at near melt.
I read a classified ad in this week's Numismatic News where someone is offering Marshall Islands coin dies and hubs for sale, undefaced.
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 Posted 04/24/2007  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Quote: "coin dies and hubs for sale, undefaced."

Not sure what hubs are nor how they come to be undefaced.
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The hub is a reverse of the die. They take a die and hammer it into a hub, then they can work in relief to carve the design. Then they hammer the hub into a new die. Eventually they come up with a working die from this sort of back and forth process of positive and negative.
A die/hub that is undefaced hasn't been cancelled -- essentially destroyed -- by carving an X across it and such.
I can provide you the person's email if you want.
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Thanks for the info. I'm mainly looking just for the coins. Once I have every coin ever made I'll get the stuff that makes em.

Please Please Please do NOT give me his e-mail addy. My wallet would die

I am however looking for WWII themed Marshall Islands coins. Trying to get all the $5 first but whatever crosses my path I try and pick up at a reasonable price. I suppose I could use his e-mail addy if it's not too much trouble.

Thanks!
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ebay has a couple of auctions at this time for Marshall Island coin hubs, starting at $189 plus about $10 postage and handling.
BTW: I just checked my records and had paid $14.39 for a $50 silver Marshall Islands Columbia Space Shuttle coin.
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Thanks for your help. I sent an e-mail to that contact.
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AH yes... high-face-value Marshall Islands coins. I've heard stories about these.

Story goes that the Marshall Islands government began to regret issuing so many coins with such high face value when tourists began to turn up in the islands with box-fulls of the things. They'd march down to the bank and demand face value for them - in US$ (the legal currency of the islands). The Marshall Islands government was losing money, badly - these "tourists" were earning up to $40 or so per coin - enough money to pay for the trip, with a tidy profit to boot.

If the black market (or at least the grey market) is selling undefaced hubs and dies, that only makes the situation worse - anyone with a coin press could obtain dies and churn out as much genuine-looking money as they wanted.

In the end, the MI government had to slap restrictions on the number of coins that could be imported or redeemed at any one time - effectively making their own legal tender coins no longer legal tender. There's a little note to this effect at the end of the introduction to MI coinage in the Krause catalogues.

Recently, when the Cook Islands got wind that these shady types were going to target them next, they promptly revoked the legal tender status of many of their high-face-value coins.

Hope this doesn't put too much of a dampener on collecting the series for you. Just be aware that they may not have very good investment/re-sale value... unless most of them end up being smuggled back to the islands, redeemed, and melted down!

Now, for your coins in particular - you're sure they're silver $50 coins? The Monitor and Fanning/Nicholson designs are listed for the cupronickel $5, but I can't see a "Louisville" at all. Like you, I've only got the 33rd ed.

Your coins might even have been designated "unofficial", and listed in the Unusual World Coins book.
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 Posted 04/24/2007  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ya should have told me it was story time...I would have gotten some cookies.

The Fanning/Nicholson is a $50 coin for sure as well as the other 2. A lot of these coins I am buying to resale. And the WWII themed coins I am buying for my own personal collection that I doubt I would ever sell. So the fact that Krause listing prices are way high is actually a good thing for the ones I want to collect. Getting them at melt value is a LOT better then $55 like I was dreading.

With luck I found my Denmark coin but I'm not even gonna try and find my scale and camera until I move. It feels like an ounce like my other 50$ MI coins.

Thanks for the info Sap.
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