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Under magnification I can easily make out the bar of the 2 as well as the crosslet of the 2. I understand that, but those could be coincidental marks on the coin or die. As I have said, the 43/42 is not just an overdate coin. Meaning the 3 was not simply stamped over the 2. It was a completely doubled die coin. Which means there are separation lines on the other devices. Did you look at the Variety Vista link I provided? Did you look at the image Coop provided? In order for you coin to be a genuine 1943/1942 it has to look just like those, not sorta look like it. That includes the doubling of the other devices. Varieties are not like errors, which are one of a kind occurrences. Every coin struck with the die in which the variety exists will have that same variety. Keep in mind that this is one coin that was also faked a lot. You cannot fake the doubled die aspect. That is one of the easiest way to tell them apart. Edited by seal006
02/23/2013 06:31 am
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I understand this is a doubled die error and looked at all the links provided. I saw the picture coop provided before starting my search. I also looked at example coins because I noticed that they all didn't look exactly the same. For example, http://stacksbowers.com/Auctions/Au...?LotID=62107. This coin has none of the doubling indicated in the photo coop provided. The W appears to be the only thing doubled. So in trying to learn, does every one of these have to look exactly the same or are there variations? Otherwise I can't see how the Stacks example can be a true 43/2 if going only by what is in coop's photo and the variety vista link. I have nothing in this coin and it came out of a bucket. I didn't even pick it out myself. I would like to know what to look for, because I will likely keep buying them. I am here to learn! In the mean time I will look again at the coin. It's a little grungy at the letters, maybe I can get a better photo or disprove myself! |
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UGH! So much for trying to help a guy.
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Patience. I haven't been able to look at the coin all weekend. I will look it over again. I was simply stating that it appears these are not all exactly the same and my coin is worn. I will look closer for doubling
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02/24/2013 1:06 pm
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Never knew about this. Now I gotta go through all my war nickles looking for 43Ps. LOL
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Patience. I haven't been able to look at the coin all weekend. I will look it over again. I was simply stating that it appears these are not all exactly the same and my coin is worn. I will look closer for doubling They are all the same. This is a point that I do not think a lot of you realize. A die variety was on the die BEFORE it started minting coins. It is not something that appeared mid way through. Every coin will have the same doubling. Yes, your coin is worn, but it is not so worn that the doubling would not be evident. Especially on the L & 3. Once you start to understand how doubled dies happen, the easier it will be to identify them. Once you do that, a whole new world of collecting is opened up to you. One that can be very satisfying. |
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OK. I was able to look at the coin again under magnification. I am 100% certain its a 1943/2. The bottom bar of the 2 is present, the crosslet is present, the bottom bar of the 2 sticks out from the right side of the 3. The reason you don't see any doubling in Liberty is because the LIBE is worn down towards the rim. However, the doubling of the L is still visible at the very bottom of the vertical bar in the L, the only part of the L not worn down.
Also, why does PCGS list two different types of 43/2? My coin looks a lot more like the Stacks Auction example than it does the other example posted earlier by coop for comparison.
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02/24/2013 8:00 pm
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What two types does PCGS show? I only see one. There is a listing for MS which are regular strikes, and a listing for FS, which is the same thing only showing full steps on the reverse. Like I said you should definitely see doubling elsewhere. But you are convinced at what you have and nothing I have said is getting through to you. Congrats
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PCGS No. 4019 and PCGS No. 38499. I am not talking about MS vs FS. No. 38499 has severe doubling. 4019 does not. I will show it to a couple different coin dealers I trust this week to see if its a clever fake or not. I am not imagining a 2 under the 3. It is not dings or PMD. |
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You need to send it to someone like John Wexler. Regular coin dealers are oblivious to real die varieties. I think what you are seeing on PCGS is the same coin. The only difference is the attribution they will put on it, which is the customers choice. It had the old number of 4019 before it was put in the CPG. Once it made the CPG, folks could request the CPG designation, thus the new number 38499. They had to have a seperate number because they could not go back and change all the ones that had been slabbed prior to the CPG. Look at the prices, they are identical. How could that be if one was a DDO and the other was not? |
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Perhaps if you provided better photos it would be easier to see what you are seeing.
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02/25/2013 12:49 pm
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I am still not convinced. Very hard to tell from photos. I believe what you see on the 1 is not a doubled die. It looks more like Machine Doubling. The doubling on the 43/42 that is on the one should be on the west side of the 1, and I am not seeing any other doubling. Like I said an in hand inspection by someone who knows die varieties would be best. My suggest remains John Wexler. |
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In my CP guide it says that the reverse has a tripled die, is the OP's coin a triple die reverse? John1  |
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