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This coin pulled from Heritage looks just like my coin. No noticeable doubling, except the 2 under the 3. Of course, NGC could have mis-attributed it.   My Coin:  Here is another mark up showing more doubling. I am aware of the difference between Machine Doubling and die doubling. I'm pretty certain Machine Doubling won't create a 2 under a 3, or whatever it is present under the 3 on my coin that looks like a 2. How did the "2" get there?  According to his website, John Wexler is currently not accepting new coins for attribution until further notice. |
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It is just to hard to tell for sure from photos. You are the one that has it in hand, so all we can do is go by what you are saying. I look at the NGC photo, and because it is a full coin photo, it makes it hard to get a clear closeup image. If Wexler can't do it, try Dr. Wiles with CONECA. I really want this to be the overdate, as they are getting much harder to find.
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I don't really have a camera capable of blowing up the 3/2 to fit the size of a 20" monitor crystal clear, which I feel at this point would be the only way to convince anybody that this is a 43/2. However, it looked exactly like this:  I soaked the coin in verdicare, which loosened up the grime along the features. This allowed me to view under 16x magnification doubling on the obverse and reverse. On the reverse specifically, I could see doubling of the F and E in FIVE as well as the right side of Monticello (the building not the words). In its current grade of VF, it's not worth sending in to a TPG, though I might if I get a free voucher some time in the future. I was also offered $20 for the coin from a dealer I took it to, which I declined. |
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Time to invest in a good USB microscope !
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EFLargeCents, forgive me, but doubling on nickels, especially a doubled die like this coin is supposed to be, should not require more than 10X magnification to get a good photo. Perhaps it is your lighting. In the post above you said, "However, it looked exactly like this" So that is NOT your coin?
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So that is NOT your coin? Does it matter or is that not representative of a 3/2? It looks exactly like my coin, but it isn't my coin. Additionally, my coin is grimey, where the grime fills in the crevices, so the reason you don't see doubling in the photos is because its dirty and because I can't zoom in that far with my camera. The doubling just looks like shadows. Edited by EFLargeCents
02/28/2013 4:25 pm
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Absolutely, as I stated before, the 43/42 has been faked. Why would you show us another coin to help you with yours?
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Why would you show us another coin to help you with yours? Because I can't take a photograph like that, and that was representative of what mine looks like at that kind of magnification level. Can someone post a photo of a fake so I can see the technique used to apply the appearance of a 2, then I can compare that to my coin. I would think it would be fairly obvious. Edited by EFLargeCents
02/28/2013 4:48 pm
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I have been doing this for more than a few years. Coop has done it WAY LONGER than me. We both have voiced concerns with the coin. We are just trying to help you verify that it is what you think it is. But you have got to help us help you. It would have been much easier for me to just say "Hey, nice find." and kept going my own way. I guess I have learned through this thread, that is what I should do in the future. Because there is absolutely no way to correctly attribute your coin without decent photos of your coin. What photos you have provided leave me still doubting. In the first photo on your last post on page two is a closeup of the date. The crosslet is not even visible in that photo, yet the rest of the date is. It is things like that which raises doubts. I have tried to be thourough as well as clear in my assessment of this coin, but at this point I am walking away from it. There is no further analogy I can offer, especially since the latest photo provided is not even of the coin in question.
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02/28/2013 4:56 pm
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I point out doubling, you say its Machine Doubling. I post a photo showing the 2, you say its not there.  I point out the coin is not mint state covered with grime, that doesn't matter. I guess its fake. Probably rarer than a real one. |
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 This is the photo I am referring to. Where is the crosslet? The doubling on the 1 looks flat like MD. The doubling you point to on IGWT I can't even see, except a tiny part on the serif on the G. You want us to see what you are seeing. These photos do not do that. |
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If I had to guess from the pictures taken I could not say it was genuine nor could I say it was a forgery. I have concerns for several reasons. 1)The horizontal bar and the diagonal bar are the lightest part on the coin and are not showing any elevation. (it looks flat not raised) and the "bars" are very light when compared to the rest of the coin. 2) The tail of the 2 isn't visible past the 3 in any of your pictures. 3) The doubling which is prevalent on other over-dates of the same year is not present in your pictures.
Does mean this is forged? No...just means nobody is willing to put their opinion and name on its validity without better pictures.
These are just my observations and opinions.
Happy Hunting
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03/01/2013 3:21 pm
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Oh....Also It might help if you take the coin out of the flip. You may get a better focused picture. Just trying to help get this resolved for all of us. :)
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