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Flat Screen Monitor As Light Source.. ?

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 Posted 02/27/2013  01:33 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverEye to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As I was sitting at my dining room table reflecting light off different color construction paper seeing how it affected my pictures, it hit me. A computer monitor maxed out white might be a real nice light source.

It would be easy to tweak the colors, even have different colors coming from different areas for cool effects, with the touch of a button. Just create a full screen size jpg in Photoshop with the colors in the places you wanted them. Likewise if you wanted a cutout template for unique lighting patterns.

Is this crazy or genius?
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 Posted 02/27/2013  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CaptainFwiffo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's not crazy, but it wouldn't work.

It turns out, even though you can control the color of a monitor very precisely, it would actually make a terrible light source. Ironically, better the quality of the monitor (in terms of gamut and color reproduction), the worse it would do as a light source.

The reason has to do with how we perceive color, and how monitors reproduce color.

Two objects might appear about the same color, but they might be reflecting entirely different spectra of light. For example, a yellow object might be yellow because it's reflecting yellow light. A second yellow object might be the same color to our eyes, but it might be reflecting both red and green light and very little yellow light.

A monitor is always going to be reproducing yellow by combining red and green light. That works fine, because our eyes see a combination of red and green as appearing yellow. In order to be able to reproduce the widest range of colors and the most saturated colors, monitors try to have very saturated subpixels, a very green green, very blue blue, etc. So each of the subpixels emits a fairly narrow spectra. The bluest blue is made by only producing light around a narrow wavelength and very little light from other parts of the spectrum that would only serve to dilute the blue color. The best, most expensive monitors (those with "wide gamuts") have subpixels with the narrowest spectra.

So when your monitor produces "white" it's not doing it the same way a traditional light source is. Its spectrum has three narrow spikes. Something like a traditional light bulb, or the sun is producing a broad, continuous spectrum that includes all the visible wavelengths. You could match the color of your monitor to a particular white light source very precisely, but the spectra is completely different.

So if you have those two yellow objects which appear the same color under daylight or under incandescent light, might look completely different when illuminated by a monitor. One might look fine, but the other will look pale and washed out. That's why people working in front of a computer look pale and sickly. It's not just because they never get any sun!

That's also why many fluorescent lights and LED lights might match the color of incandescent bulbs really well, but make the colors of things (e.g. skintones) appear strange. It's also part of why high quality photographic lamps and flashes are expensive; they need to be engineered to produce the same color precisely and reliably and different levels of brightness, but they also need to have a broad, continuous spectrum in order to produce accurate color with the objects they are illuminating.
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Thanks for the in depth response. I know that the monitor's light source is producing a very peaky band in just a few different wavelengths, but isn't the camera's CCD only picking up a few different wavelengths as well? If they are the same wavelengths, it shouldn't matter about the rest of all the colors because the camera just ignores all the light it doesn't need.

Back in grade school I think I remember an experiment where we had a picture taken with a red light, another with a green light, then a third with a blue light, then all three images were somehow stacked up and shown on a slide projector. Or maybe it was three slide projectors all shining on the same screen. This might have been something I saw on TV. It was several decades ago..
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The CCD is more broad-band so it can roughly emulate what the eye sees. In the example above, it needs to capture both yellow objects as yellow (one which reflects yellow light, and another that reflects a combination of red and green), so it needs to be sensitive to all wavelengths. A monitor doesn't need to produce yellow light at all to make the color yellow.
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go check out a few headshops.....
as crazy as it sounds, they may have numerous amounts of diff types of light bulbs & or ballasts in stock...

...yes I'm a legal pot smoker here in Canada.
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If you want a truly light spectrum equal light check out the luminescent panels I use in my astrophotography work. They are used for taking flats of very even light to help remove dust on the optics and light pollution or sky gradients.

http://www.gerdneumann.net/english/...verview.html

These are not the cheapest things and are fairly delicate, I've broken one already, the wires are too small of gauge and almost impossible to repair if pulled out. I use a 160mm and a custom made 18" panel for my various telescopes.
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