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ok I need some help working on a coin
lets say a 1985 coin was supose to have the head of the queen from ralf maklouf
but had the head from the 1984 queen obverce by arnold machin
would that make it a mule or error
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 Posted 03/02/2013  06:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day Shane, my thoughts are that it would have to be an error as the date and the monarch are both on the obverse?
What sort of coin is it?
(God only knows where you find these )
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so at the change over of a obverce design if it was mixed up and the wrong design was used would this be common and has it happend before that any one knows off hey unicor I dont even know how I find this stuff try living in my head I am noodling and dont want to look like a bad person them what you all think I am ask first I have leant that from this forum

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A 1985 die only exists with the maklouf bust as far as I know. Look at the 5 very carefully on an example if you have one to see that it hasnt been altered. It would not be considered a mule as that obverse die technically does not exist.
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this is only to have the vladimir gotswold obv not the ian droadley is that right

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Hey Shane, I don't think anyone here considers you anything but another one of us.
The 2000 50c with the Royal Visit reverse is the only one to have the Gottwald image on the obverse.
The 2000 Millennium 50c has the Ian Rank Broadley obverse.
Does that help at all?
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 Posted 03/02/2013  06:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
no because they are both royal visit coin in the picture so that is not meant to be I take it it would be a error or a mule if this were both royal visit coins
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The IRB is so much better than the gottwald obverse!
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Enworb, I think the Gottwald one is a little unflattering.

Shane I think it would be a mule if you had a Millennium reverse 50c with the Gottwald queen you've pictured.
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The definitive 1984 dollar with the Machin bust is a one year type.
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no I only have 2 royal visits with 2 differant obverce so was the irb obverce meant to be on the royal visit if not that would be a mule yes I cant work it out one a mule anouther not a mule I just want to dicover a mule I found a cab on a 1960 half penny today mybe that is my discovery for the day

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The two coins you showed in the photo both have the gottswald obverse.
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one on the left is irb and the one on the righ is goltwald going by the mcdonald book
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They are both the gottwald obverse. The IRB obverse is the current one we use and looks a little different.
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Just to help you spot the differences Shane.

The Ian Rank Broadley obverse has the letters IRB just under the Queen's neck.
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/obverse/rb.cfm

The Gottwald obverse has the Queen wearing a necklace.
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ob...gottwald.cfm

The Maklouf (Pre 1999) obverse also has the Queen wearing a necklace but the crown has a malteze cross in it.
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ob.../maklouf.cfm

May as well throw Machin in for good measure.
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ob...e/machin.cfm
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i get it now thanks unicorn
well I think I discoverd a new type there must have been 2 goltwald head designs used on the royal visit 50c coin as the 2 crowns in the picture are not the same or am I seeing things
in 2000 milleniums coin was the first odverce head of irb and that head was not used on the 2000 royal visit so mcdonald book says so there must be 2 designs for the royal visit by goltswald those crowns are not the same or maybe 3 types as the mcdonald book picture has the crown from the left picture on the head of the right picture I think in the left picture it looks like a crown in the right picture it looks like a tiara much smaller crown
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