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What is the bracket weight acceptable for an old coin, (ex: Morgan dollars), Should it be exactly 26.73 grams, or a small margin is acceptable due to erosion or friction ?!?!?!?!?
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I'm pretty sure that there is a +/- factor you can use, just not sure how large it is. My guess, would be when using grains +/- .10 would probably be ok, but only if the coin is well worn. I think it would probably take quite a bit of wear to get to those levels actually. I may be way off in my thinking also, so please don't take this as gospel!!!

I know that there was a topic on this previously, but it may have been too long agao to still show up....
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I have a 1902 that weighs 25.1 grams, it is almost worn smooth. Most weigh between 26.2 and 26.7
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I have a 1902 Morgan that is 25.1 Grams. Most of the morgans I have weighed are between 26.2 and 26.7.
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Don't forget that there is the accuracy of your scales to consider, the wear of the coins, the additional weight of impurities and last but not least what you were drinking prior to the weighing.
What I've always wondered is if the higher you go on Earth, the less gravity has on a coin, so shouldn't it matter where you are as to the weight of a coin?
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Carl,

The gravitational force on an object (i.e., its weight) is 0.28% less on the top of Mt. Everest than it is at sea level.

So if your scale tells you a coin weighs 26.73 g at sea leavel, it will register 26.66 g at altitude.

However, it is important to note that grams are technically a unit of mass and not of force (weight). The mass of an object does not change on the mountaintop. But since the scale is not really a massing device, but rather a weighing device, it will report a lower value.
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Texasmick

Thank you for your scientific approach of this matter, as I was about to consider it, because I am 2800m above sea level, but after you have cleared it I will neglect this factor.

Anyways I still need the margin that can be considered in buying raw Morgans.

And thank you for all who have contributed to this post.
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Lol. The next time I am weighing morgans on the top of mount everest I will know what to expect. Thanks for this bit of info!
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I thought thing weights different down under in Aussie. HaHa.
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quote:
The next time I am weighing morgans on the top of mount everest I will know what to expect




BTW, great explanation Texas.
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To give an idea on wear, a postage stamp weighs over .1 gram and a business card is 1 gram. So it is pretty easy to see how over 100+ years the coins can wear a little. I have heard that a lot of the fakes are about 24 grams and if you had a real Morgan at 24 grams you probably couldn't tell it was a Morgan.
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The legal weight and tolerance on the Morgan dollar was 26.73 grams +/- .097 grams, or 412.5 grains +/- 1.5 grains.
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Note there are numerous locations below sea level also. A coin would weigh more down there also. As to the top of Mount Everest, I'll be no one ever weighed a coin up there to prove anything one way or the other. Now here is something to consider. Does a coin weigh less in the ocean? A person can float much easier there so you would think a coin is also lighter there. Regarless of that, a coin can be different weights at the same location pending the atmospheric conditions. A high pressure system may push down the scale more than during a low pressure system.
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I just tried to weigh a postage stamp and realized there are numerous different sizes and some are self stick and others must be wetted. So which ones are supposed to weigh .1 gram?
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From time to time I weigh coins on a gram scale accurate to .01g or better to learn more about coin wear. On uncirculated coins I have yet to find a coin that exceeded the specified weight. Usually they were a little below - in the range of -.05g. Circulated coin weight loss is variable - in general weight loss is 5% to a G grade, though weight loss seems to be related to the coin's surface area and thickness. The two highest % weight loss coins I have are a $2.5 lib in G, and an 1811 bust half in AG: around -7.5%. I think the higher % loss is due to the exceptionally low thickness of the $2.5 (and I would expect similar weight loss in a dime, though I haven't checked any), and due to the low thickness to diameter ratio on the half (I don't see weight losses this high on seated lib and later halves).

In the case of a Morgan dollar I wouldn't expect more than 5% weight loss all the way to G. Anything below 25.5g weight would be suspect. On an uncirculated dollar anything less than 26.6g, or over 26.8g, would be suspect.

I've wondered whether circulation weight loss might be some assurance of authenticity, especially on common date coins. It would be a lot of work to forge an uncirculated coin, abrade it in a way that it matched a worn coin's weight and appearance, and finally patinate it so that it looked circulated. It would be worth the effort for 1916-D dimes and 1901-S quarters, but there is little to be gained by generating another 1892-P quarter in G-VG. The only profit in faking a common coin is from using a base-metal - and all that is needed to detect these is a good scale.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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