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I have to admit, this one has me a little stumped.
Look at the thickness next to another Connecticut Copper

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Were any of these overstruck on Regal issues?
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Just want you to know I'm working on it :). You must be more familiar than most with the contemporary counterfeits, v; is this planchet even thinner than those? Even the crap coming out of Machin's Mills? How about a weight?
AUCTORI is followed by a colon, with the lower dot below the bottom of the I, and the position of that should make this identifiable. Even failing that, the sprig in Britannia's hand should be a good fingerprint (is she customarily called Britannica for the Connecticut coppers?).
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I'll have a weight for you tonight. Brittania is what I've always used although on U.S. Colonial issues, it's always a reference to Liberty.
This is much thicker than the majority of contemporary counterfeits I have seen.
Your right, the sprig and it's placement to devices, will definitely be a tell tale sign however, even under a loupe, it's hard to really get any discernable legends identified.
It may have very well been overstruck on a Regal issue although I have never seen that.
Given the large number of Connecticut Coppers produced, I think that this fact is very plausible.
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Oh! Wait! You mean this is the thick one, and not the thin one?
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Correct :-)

Should have mentioned that :0
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The one on the left is a dug Connec.
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What would you say to 1786 Miller 5.8-F?
http://stacksbowers.com/auctions/Au...LotID=305478

I really like the reverse sprig. Certainly seems like one of the Miller 5 obverses, regardless, and I found one of Amida's overstruck regal halfpennies for one of those!
http://stacksbowers.com/auctions/Au...LotID=433741
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Ha! That's it :)

Matches 5.8-F perfectly. The reverse die was only used on 5.8-F.
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Nice work Detective P! Now I want the overstrike...but $5000 is a bit out of range for me
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Well, if you want the second of the only two described 1786 connecticut copper overstrikes on regal halfpennies, maybe vermontensium will part with this for less than 5 g's. That is, if he matches the weight to a regal halfpenny, to confirm the overstrike!
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I enjoy following these and look forward to part 3
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p, refresh my memory.
What should a Regal Hp weigh?
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That Stacks listing I gave weighed in at 134 grains. The Stacks people apparently noted the overstrike, and the cataloguer fished out a "worn George II halfpenny" and weighed it at 131.5 grains.
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Got it. First thing I'll do when I get home from work tonight @ 11pm PST.
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seems they vary...

1770â€"1775 (all years). Weight 9.2â€"10.8 grams, diameter 29â€"30 millimetres. Obverse shows a right-facing bust of the king, with the inscription GEORGIVS III REX, reverse shows a left-facing seated Britannia holding a spray and spear, with the inscription BRITANNIA and the date in the exergue beneath Britannia. (The king's bust has a fuller face in 1774 and 1775).
1799. Weight 12.0â€"13.1 grams, diameter 30â€"31 millimetres. Obverse shows a right-facing bust of the king, with the inscription GEORGIVS III DEI GRATIA REX, reverse shows a redesigned left-facing seated Britannia holding a spray and spear, with the inscription BRITANNIA 1799.
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