Possible Colonial Coin, Please Help Identify

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patrick Pillar of the Community United States 560 Posts	Posted 03/11/2013 9:19 pm Hi everyone, I picked this up for 0.25 in a junk bin. It's nearly worn flat but I'm a sucker for old copper coins with a ton of history so I grabbed it. You can barely see the harp on the right. I thought it was a Hibernia coin initially but Hibernia's arm is resting on her lap, not raised. I can't make out any writing and the other side is completely flat. Does anyone have any ideas about what this coin might once have been? Thanks in advance for your help! Report this Post to the Staff

vermontensium Moderator United States 16677 Posts	Posted 03/11/2013 9:22 pm Obverse pic? swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
patrick Pillar of the Community United States 560 Posts	Posted 03/11/2013 11:22 pm Sorry. I didn't take an obverse because it's completely smooth. It does have some edge lettering on it - I don't know how I missed it. It says "Payable in Dublin or at Raitvmurta." The last word isn't clear and I'm not sure about the i. Report this Post to the Staff
amida17 Pillar of the Community United States 4897 Posts	Posted 03/11/2013 11:32 pm You were probably correct in the assumption that it is Hibernia. Likely one of the many Irish tokens of the 18th and early 19th century. Mine tokens or pawn tokens are a couple possibilities. Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 03/11/2013 11:33 pm That's Ballymurtagh! Irish Conder token. Camac Kyan and Camac halfpenny: http://www.coinsandstamps.com/forei...d/bct109.htm And the object to Hibernia's left is a whiskey still! Edited by philadelphian 03/11/2013 11:39 pm Report this Post to the Staff
patrick Pillar of the Community United States 560 Posts	Posted 03/11/2013 11:49 pm Wow - thanks philadelphian!! I figured I was wrong about the last word. I googled the "Payable in Dublin or at part" and found a pretty useful page for Groll Coins. He lists an impressive number of tokens but didn't have an image of this one. Thanks for the ID and the information about the whiskey still. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 03/12/2013 11:45 am I suspect it isn't a Conder token but from the 1800 to 1820 period. The Conder tokens usually had an inscription around the figure and did not have a defined rim as this one appears to have. I take it back. The 1794 issues of Camac Kyan and Camac did match this piece design (D&H 251 - 267) Problem is none of them is an exact match. None of them have that rounded top to the still that distinctly leans toward the figure, and none of them have those hugely massive shoulders that the head is set between. I suspect this may be an uncataloged contemporary counterfeit. Report this Post to the Staff
patrick Pillar of the Community United States 560 Posts	Posted 03/13/2013 12:14 pm Thanks everyone for your replies. I'm new to tokens and their potential counterfeits. Are there any references that you guys would suggest to help with identification and authentication? Report this Post to the Staff
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