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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Have no idea, need help with id'ing...material is lead, 21.5mm and 6.6 grams. thanks..   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I doubt it is ancient ..... looks like a seal on reverse ! The bird looks modern in style.
What makes you think it is ancient ?
Edited by FVRIVS RVFVS
03/14/2013 6:15 pm
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 United States
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I agree doesn't look ancient to me either. What I can make out of the legend the letters look modern and almost look like they spell out ANDA.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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I'm just assuming it was ancient as I don't know. I can't make out the letters yet or a positive on the figure on the one side. By modern what years are you referring to?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Less than 250 years old ! Ancient collectors usually will pass on things less than a thousand years !
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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FVRIVS RVFVS....Good to know..Thanks.. The one side looks like a seal by that picture, and after taking about 80 pictures at different angles and light conditions turns out it is a bird. On the other side above the bird there is what looks like a W, P and then what the next one is I'm not sure.. Better pictures attached....   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The seem around the edge indicates it is definitely cast. Side A looks like a small bird and side B (not a seal !) looks like it might be a hawk. Perhaps it is a token for some sort of "hawking" type of competition. It isn't a coin and it isn't extremely old. Other than that ..... I have no idea !
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Australia
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Lead tokens like this frequently turn up in Britain and elsewhere in Europe. They almost never have any indication of when and where they were made or what they were intended to be used for. The UK Detector Finds Database currently lists over 300 of them. They could date from anywhere between the 1300s and 1900s. Yours is unusual in having actual lettering: it appears to read "WP"; whether there's a third letter there is debatable. Lead tokens like this were often of a semi-legal or downright illegal nature so usually avoided anything that might direct the law towards the manufacturer or user. Very generally, the smaller they are, the older they are. Using the rule-of-thumb guide on this mudlarking blog, your piece at 21mm probably dates to the 1700s-1800s. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sap, why would they be semi-legal or illegal?
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Moderator
Australia
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Either because the activities they were made to be used for were illegal (non-Establishment church meetings, card games, houses of ill-repute, that sort of thing) or because of laws prohibiting the issuing of tokens as unofficial substitute coinage.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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