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Pillar of the Community
United States
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@EddieDiz:
The positions of the letters in LIBERTY are just fine for a 1794 Overton-105. Great coin, really, in any state or grade.
If there really is a plug at the bottom of the reverse, Bryan, do you think the hole didn't penetrate to the obverse?
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I agree with you scubu. ebay, and Judith, do a good job IMO. But, the big fish ie Greatsouthern, seems to be getting a free pass. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Without any finger-pointing: Beyond the stated purpose of the CCF to promote learning and education, is it also to be our purpose to police ebay for violations? I have no opinion on this. I am am just raising the question. NICE WORK SCUBU! If I find something amiss on ebay, and I have, I shall continue to bring it to the attention of the group. I do not feel that I am qualified to report with confidence ... YET! (With everyone's help, I will.) |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote:Beyond the stated purpose of the CCF to promote learning and education, is it also to be our purpose to police ebay for violations? Anything that hurts our hobby (particularly something as bad as this), IMO, HAS to be addressed. Patrolling and reporting fraud is certainly not a requirement to be a member here, but if not us, who?  WE have the education and numismatic knowledge to protect, not only ourselves, but also less knowledgable numismatists. IMO, we owe it to them to help root out bad guys when we see it. Bottom line: we can't and we shouldn't allow numismatic fraud or counterfeiting to occur and we have the means to help stop it. We would be remiss if we didn't help. And, IMO, it is right in line with our "education" tenet. Edited by Moe145
03/22/2013 7:32 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Good work g048406 and scubu. You guys  |
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United States
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Nice catch!  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just out of curiosity, how do we know that the ebay seller was the one who cracked it out and posted it without mention of the defect (besides the timing of the Stacks sale)? Is it possible they bought it already cracked out and they are a victim as well? |
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"Is it possible they bought it already cracked out and they are a victim as well?" In this case, no: 1. There was very little time between the purchase, recertifing through the SSS (centsles's NNC holder) and resaling. 2. This seller has been shown to have listed numerous coins that were previously housed in problem holders and sold as raw immediately after purchasing them from auctions. 3. Based on all the overwhelming evidence, ebay, has ruled and found this seller guilty. ebay is a private entity. They make the rules and their judgement is final Kudos to ebay for coming to the correct decision and doing the right thing. |
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I never even gave it a thought that someone would submit a coin to NNC to be so called graded. I just thought all NNC coins originated from Centsless and anyone else selling an NNC coin on the bay was just another victim.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Dear Moe, I do not disagree with you in the least. Having said that, I would like the powers that be to give us a ruling. That is to say would the CCF, after having been made aware of a possible problem, give backup and support ? Until then, I'd be most happy to report any questionable ebay items to the group and to let those individuals who have more knowledge than I do the actual reporting. In the meantime, I'll do what I can within the limits of my comfort zone. |
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United States
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Hi guys. I founds this posting on purpose. This person is not a woman. This person is doing a massive fraud-tens of thousands of dollars a month. Working outside ebay as well. Please email me at *** Email Removed by Staff *** or message me. *** Edited by Staff - Please Review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. *** |
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United States
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Nice to see a scammer like this get some of what they deserve.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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M issue with the self proclaimed numismatic police group is this. Who sets the standards? Aside from blatantly obvious fakes being pushed as the real thing, who has the authority to determine someone is doing wrong? I have seen plenty of grand standing in the forums based on nothing more than an issue with wording in a description. And those that do the moral judging are reporting legitimate business folks and messing with their reputation.
To be honest, this is one of the reasons I don't even look on this particular forum as much as I used to. I just KNOW that I am going to see at least a few of these police posts every time that window opens, and I am tired of it. I know, I do not have to read those posts, and usually I don't anymore. But it grates on my nerves even seeing the thread titles because I know what the contents of the thread will be.
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Who sets the standards? Aside from blatantly obvious fakes being pushed as the real thing, who has the authority to determine someone is doing wrong? We, as the numismatic community, set the standards. Would you be OK with dropping a couple grand on a purportedly-original gold coin only to find in-hand that it had been puttied, and was only worth half what you paid? There is no problem whatsoever with disagreeing with a TPG's opinion. If the sellers who are being questioned here were to simply state in their auction "This coin has previously been judged as 'Altered' by a TPG, and I disagree with that assessment" then nobody would have the right to say a thing about them. |
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It's sad to see someone upset at people that are trying to look out for their fellow man. Fortunately, it is the exception, that people support unscrupulous activity. If a good samaratin hadn't intervened in Cleveland, three innocent women would still be living in horror. Doing the 'right thing' isn't always easy. Those that condone or look away from wrong doing are guilty of abetting. I know I, for one, will continue to do all I can to help keep ebay a safe place for unsuspecting buyers. |
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