| Author |
Replies: 38 / Views: 5,537 |
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
3755 Posts |
You failed to read what I said. I said nothing about allowing something obviously wrong to continue to happen. And to equate the rescue of kidnap victims to my statement is totally ridiculous. The original coin is not the issue. That is a blatant attempt to rip someone off. Notice, I said that. I am not talking about the obvious. The obvious is just that. I am talking about the other stuff. The "original unsearched rolls" kind of things. The things where it is truly a matter of interpretation as to whether it is "right or wrong". Dave, you ask how I would feel. I would feel like filing a complaint with ebay after having tried to return it to the seller. Just as I would with ANY transaction, policed or not. But that point is not valid anyway, as that falls under obvious attempt to rip off category. And upset about looking out for their fellow man? Hardly. Again, that is making this into a lot more than it is. And that is where I have the issue. When people think their moral standards give them the right to police something, whatever it may be. You are equating pointing out fake coins or blatant attempts to rip someone off to rescuing human beings from slavery and torture. And you wonder why I question who sets the standards? And just what those standards are? And you also equate my questioning your or anyone elses right to police something as me aiding and abetting. Again, really? Sorry, but I will question anyone and everyone who wants to police others actions. After all, I have to look out for my fellow human beings now don't I?
|
|
Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote: I am talking about the other stuff. The "original unsearched rolls" kind of things. The things where it is truly a matter of interpretation as to whether it is "right or wrong". I have no problem with that. My response to you was limited strictly to the context of the coin mentioned in the OP. You seem to be painting with a broader brush, and insofar as it applies to the idea of "unsearched rolls," or the ilk, I'm not ready to either hand out pitchforks or condone such a witch-hunt. But you're a thoughtful man, Don, and I know you're sparing some thought to the future regarding your own holdings. You recognize our status as merely caretakers of history. The practices of persons such as the one identified in the OP work against us, against the idea that there ought to be those following us who share our reverence for our charges. It would only take one episode caused by someone like that to forever sour a promising new collector who just (possibly) overreached for that One Wonderful Coin, only to find out that they'd bought something worth far less than they thought because the seller was morally-challenged. It's a judgment call, man. We each have to choose our level of tolerance; I've chosen mine, which is stricter than yours, but all the same none of this works without Devil's Advocates like yourself with the guts to argue the other side of the coin (to...heck, I can't say it). Yeah, I'm going to make a personal choice based on the evidence I see in front of me, to stand against things like this at the line where I've drawn it in the sand. I trust the OP to make similar choices which are defensible to a reasonably-knowledgeable collector, so I back his play. If you see some of his words as hyperbole, don't take is as an exaggeration but as an illustration of his commitment against a problem which you also freely admit exists.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
3755 Posts |
Dave, I have no issues with something like the individual pointed out at the beginning and said as much. My commentary was in response to this very pertinent question... Quote:Beyond the stated purpose of the CCF to promote learning and education, is it also to be our purpose to police ebay for violations? I felt that to be a very insightful question echoing my own thoughts. No one with half a brain is going to question stomping on someone cracking out problem coins and misleading folks. So given that, the question posed becomes at what point do you get to draw that line? We all agree on the blatantly obvious stuff, but who determines the rest? Yes, your line and mine may well be different. So who gets to determine which line is the right one? And what point does that line begin to unfairly affect the seller? Thats my point.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 861 Posts |
In the end, the final judge is God.......But, here on Earth, the final judge is ebay. We can only bring to light the possible scammers, but, it is ultimately up to ebay to make the final decision. In the case of this seller, ebay ruled the seller is a crook and NARU'd her for her actions. Apparently ebay WANTS US to help police the going ons on their site.......how do I know this? I just received, in my ebay in box, the following; Hello g048406, Thank you for your support in making ebay a safe and fair marketplace. Reports from sellers like you, together with our policies, detection systems, and dedicated Seller Protection team, are working to help make ebay a great experience for everyone.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
331 Posts |
As a novice compared to most of you on this board. I appreciate all the advice that all of you share with us. If it ruffles some feathers in the process so be it. As someone that was taken for a little on ebay. I am glad that people with real knowledge patrol there. So keep up the patrol and thanks.
|
|
Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote: Yes, your line and mine may well be different. So who gets to determine which line is the right one? And what point does that line begin to unfairly affect the seller? Thats my point. You and I, together, stand a far better chance of making that determination properly than either of us alone. I have called out posters here for making accusations based on incomplete, erroneous or insufficient information, and I would fully expect the same treatment should I ever do the same. Quote:Beyond the stated purpose of the CCF to promote learning and education, is it also to be our purpose to police ebay for violations? It isn't CCF's purpose to police ebay. You won't see that anywhere in CCF's Mission Statement. But given that outside parties "policing ebay" provides the overwhelming majority of information leading to improper auctions and ripoff members being made to disappear, it's obviously someone's job. The email g048406 posted is their standard message; I have dozens of them in my archives. It's not like I tell them, and an auction is instantly removed; it's ebay's decision every_single_time based on facts I and others supply. It's a neverending job, and as of this moment we're not winning the war. But we're making a difference.
|
|
New Member
United States
4 Posts |
This person is still doing deals. Mainly outside of ebay. Large deals. Moving thousands of dollars in BS coins.
|
|
Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote:This person is still doing deals. Mainly outside of ebay. Large deals. Moving thousands of dollars in BS coins. How might you know that, and what effect can any of us have on it?
|
| |
Replies: 38 / Views: 5,537 |