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1853-P 1 Dollar Gold Coin Die Scratches Breaks Chips

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 Posted 03/24/2013  8:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just got this 1853P one dollar gold coin. Lots of issues. Die scratches, die chips, one die break across the base of her neck, another die break across the head, very weak LIBERTY and clogged or worn dies? Some tone too. My pictures didn't come out as good as I hoped.

Any opinions?

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03/24/2013 9:05 pm
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 Posted 03/24/2013  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neat coin.

Are you worried you overpaid, don't like it or?

I would gladly take one for a little over melt in case the market goes any farther south and the coin isn't slabbed which seem to be the only coins selling for over melt nowadays.
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 Posted 03/24/2013  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The very weak LIBERTY has me a bit worried, but I am NOT an expert on these.
Most probably a jeweler's copy? If that is the case, the gold should be good.
How much does it weigh?

My guess is that it is a copy die struck jeweler's copy.
These coins are popular as jeweler's copies, by reason of their small size.
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 Posted 03/24/2013  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I always wondered how on earth a die could break striking gold.
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The weight is 1.7 grams as it should be. No cast marks or seams on the sides.
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 Posted 03/24/2013  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I always wondered how on earth a die could break striking gold.


Sorry but you are wrong:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1853-1-T1-U...047675.l2557


Quote:
I would gladly take one for a little over melt in case the market goes any farther south and the coin isn't slabbed which seem to be the only coins selling for over melt nowadays.


Sorry, but you are wrong. See link above.
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 Posted 03/24/2013  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Sorry, but you are wrong. See link above."

Actually just the opposite of your post

You just proved my point.

Raw coin VS. slabbed coin

Weak strike with questionable surfaces VS. certified strong details and grade.
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Like sel_69l, I am also uneasy about this coin. The weak details is a cause for concern on a date that I believe is normally found well struck. Some of the lettering like in dollar and the date appear to be lacking in crispness. The reverse has many raised lumps of metal. The presence of die cracks, though usually a good sign, does not automatically authenticate a coin since they can be found on fakes.
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03/25/2013 01:26 am
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Yes, I realize the coin is suspicious. This is why I posted it.

jack jeckel,

Maybe I miss interpreted your comment. I thought you were saying unslabbed brings less money than a slabbed coin. Sometimes I read faster than my brain comprehends.

Who wouldn't take one selling for a little over melt? Ex-jewelry pieces bring strong money too.

I had purchased this with other scrap gold and an 1883O Morgan dollar. If the gold coin is bogus I'll be OK.

I wasn't trying to be confrontational.
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