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Well, I've Come To The Decission Of Keeping US Nickels

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 Posted 03/31/2013  01:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Does anyone here think this is a good idea or investment? I just figure that, since current nickels are worth more than twice as much their face vale that I can't go wrong in hoarding them, seeing as I can get the for face, and they will always be wprth at least face, so I am going to start buying $100 worth, each month, if I can.

Is this a good idea?
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 Posted 03/31/2013  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In terms of hoarding them for their metal content I dont see any upside. Like pennies they will never be legal to melt, if the government did go that route they would melt them themselves and not let others profit off their work.

At the same time though you arent going to lose money doing it unless youre paying for a storage locker or something so theres not really a down side if you just have them in the house
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 Posted 03/31/2013  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I save all copper pennies and all nickels that I get in change, but I am not buying rolls of them. That is a lot of space to keep them. Even though they are worth more than face value, it is not likely they will appreciate in value any time soon. But that being said, I see nothing wrong with paying face value for them.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, aren't silver coins legal to melt? Someone on another site said that the melting ban would be lifted, at least on copper pennies, once there are enough zinc pennies out there to take the copper's place. But I thought that action has already taken place. I have also heard that you could sell copper cents as "junk copper" just like you sell circulated silver coins as "junk silver" even though you can't legally melt the junk copper.

As for nickels (and zinc cents), wouldn't the same thing happen once there were enough steel nickels out there, if we go to steel coinage? I know that the government would probably want to make the most money off of their work, but what would they do? Recall all current pennies and nickels by law, so that they can melt them? Can they actually do that?
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Theres no plans to lift the copper ban or even talk of it, its nothing more than rumor at this point. Silver coins are legal to melt since replacing them makes the government money. If an old silver quarter gets melted and they have to make a new one they made money making it so they dont really care. Pennies however they lose money making so they want them out there as long as possible, copper ones really dont circulate in huge numbers compared to the zinc so they could replace them if they wanted too, but its cheaper for them to leave them be. In fairness they could lift the ban if they wanted but I dont see why they would, they literally have nothing to gain and actually have money to lose lifting it.

Its true that you can sell the coppers for more than face which is why I keep the ones I get until I have enough for a lot on ebay. You wont make much but making anything is a win for things you got for face value. That market however doesn't currently exist for nickels. It could one day but that day isn't today. Part of the copper hoarding is the talk of getting rid of the penny which makes people think the ban will be lifted. No one expects the nickel to go any time soon.

If they wanted to melt them themselves they could recall the loads from the banks of just pick them out as they come through the federal reserve/let the companies that roll them do it and share some of the money. When it comes to money they make the rules and the banks have to follow them so they could just make the banks send them in theoretically. But the important issue to me is what does the government have to gain lifting the ban, I cant think of a single way the benefit from it which tells me they arent going to do it.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
basebal21,

Wow! Thanks for all of the input. But, could the Feds, in theory, also try to force private owners/people to turn in their pennies and nickels of the current composition, if they came out with a cheaper metal to coin with, similiar to the time they wanted all forms of gold and gold certificates turned in, in the earily 1900s? This is all very interesting.
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In theory they could, would they I highly doubt it. Any form of confiscation never goes over well so logically you would think the reward would have to be huge to justify the risk/backlash. For the sake of argument though say they did, theyd never know you had them. They wouldnt be going house to house kicking in doors looking for them.

Its impossible to say for sure what they will or wont do in the future but the most likely scenario seems to be that theyll do nothing. They wont melt anything or lift any bans and just let the change run its natural life cycle. Even if they got rid of the penny they likely wouldnt shock the system removing them rather just let whats out there run its course. Eventually the public would move away from them on their own solving the problem like how you dont really see half dollars circulate. Thats my opinion anyway
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 Posted 03/31/2013  04:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dasaki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
since current nickels are worth more than twice as much their face vale


Say what? $1 of nickels only has a 98 cent melt value... It's the copper pennies that are more than twice FV.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Fox, your source of information is incorrect. The current melt value a of non-war nickel is only 4.9 cents.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  08:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually $0.0489297
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I think he is thinking of the cost of manufacturing not the value of the composition itself.

It is illegal to melt pennies and nickels because it costs the gov't about 2 cents to produce and distribute a penny and 10.09 cents for a nickel , to replace them.

2 cents and 10.09 cents are manufacture and distribution costs, not value.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Foxwoods Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He is correct with the copper cents. They have an intrinsic value of:

1909-1982 Cent (95% copper) $0.0224143

Moderns have an intrinsic value that is less than half a cent:

1982-2013 Cent (97.5% zinc) $0.0049764

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U.S. Nickels are only 25% nickel, unfortunately. I realise the cost to the U.S. Mint for the production of a new copper-nickel 5c. coin is now a lot more than 5c.
If you are going to save them for their nickel content only, refining costs would have to be considered.

That is not so with the pure Canadian Nickels, but I suspect that there are not huge numbers of them in circulation any more, just like you don't see many silver coins in American circulation.
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 Posted 03/31/2013  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm just saving some nickels. Got 13 dollars in nickels. I have like 5 or 6 rolls of copper pennies. I going to keep all copper.
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I feel they are worth keeping. Some feel since they at least do have an intrinsic value of face value (has been higher than face over the past few years at times due to ni/cu values higher) I just think it cannot hurt to keep. As a small child during the 1960s and keeping those now very valuable coins, I just don't see a downside. There are quite a few that don't see the harm in keeping them,plus the potential for higher values in the future or should there be a collapse in our system. Like the 90% silver coins, melting does not have to be legal (in the 1960s there was a ban on melting the silver coins and it lifted) These nickels and even pennies could possibly be traded similar to the current 90% trading of pre 1965 silver. Just my thoughts many think it not so smart to keep the pesky nickels! There is a wealthy hedge fund manager that purchased a million dollars worth of nickels JUST in case!
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 Posted 04/01/2013  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nalaberong to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But does it really matter if you can't actually melt them down? It's not like people are buying tubes of ASEs to immediately melt them down for industrial use (and it's the same thing with junk silver), even though silver has quite a few applications - you're just trading a bunch of shiny things because people have decided that what they're made of is worth something. I think most copper cent buyers are banking on the US government repealing anti-melt laws, or they figure that it's legal to give them to international buyers to melt (even if the number you can ship out of the country is limited). Or maybe they think the country's going to collapse and they'll need shiny things to barter for guns and motorcycles in the stylish post-apocalyptic wasteland. As long as there are buyers for them (whatever their reasons) they're worth keeping.
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