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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Hi guys. Had a hardcore collector that is very wise look at this (via photos). possible fake? Whats the general opinion here? Metal : Silver (tested) size : 18mm diameter weight : 3.28g   You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Heres the link to the FORVM fake report for the similar coin: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/fa...cat=0&pos=35If you dug it up it has little chance of being fake but...I mean, those are the same coins. Yours is a die match. Even the beading is identical. Its perplexing. Even a similar flan break. Its uncanny. I havent been able to find a real example of these dies either. Something is amiss, clearly. |
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Could just be the picture, but it doesn't look right to me.
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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I have to agree with both of you... The problem I have is that I found this on a site in the South East of the UK. I actually dug it out of the ground myself so I know its not a modern 'copy' but after looking at the links Ben sent to me and the advice I have had it does look 'iffy'. I have been playing with the coin all night, plonking it on the desk and doing the same with a 100 percent coin, they feel the same, they sound the same they weigh pretty much the same and yet I am now wondering what is going on. I will have to bow down and leave this to the experts. I may pop into the local museum with it and see what they say :O Thanks for the help with the other silver Ben  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The reverse has a surprising lack of detail for 'the real deal'. Is it possible that someone is playing a mind game with you by salting your 'hunting ground' with a fake to make you doubt your purpose ? Even the Obv. considering the high relief looks strangely lacking in the remarkably fine detail. The ear looks funny .... like a donut. I think someone is pulling your chain.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Check the metal to see if it's silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Metal is silver, tested.
I agree that its not right, I don't think someone would make a silver fake just to bury it for someone to find. That does freak me out, its a little bit spooky lol. I am taking it to a guy on Thursday this week and he will be able to give us a coin in hand opinion.
It does look very close to the copies that are out there, any other ideas?
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I have found fake 'silver' denarii, simply by bending them with my fingers. If it bends, it ain't silver.
I found out a silver plated lead core denarius of Julia Paula by this means.
Have a look inside those edge splits with a high power loupe. If they are not sharp and ragged inside, a cast coin could be indicated. I have even picked inside a flan split with a pin to identify a fake.
Pressure cast coins can be reasonably true to type and style, but give themselves away when the design is a little soft. Not 100% sure from the pictures here, but that could be the case. I would have a better feeling for this with the coin in hand.
This is a classic case why I will not buy ancient coins off the 'Net. I really do like to examine an ancient in hand first before making a decision to buy. The exception I make is when the seller has the highest professional reputation.
I have about 100 fake ancient coins, and they are an invaluable education for me. That is why I retain them.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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There were a large number of pressure casts that started to appear on the in 2007 and this a double die match, flan match, wear match etc. Without doubt a cast fake.
Examination of the edge under magnification will show either traces of a seam or in some case there is filing where an attempt to hide the seam has been made.
I have held a few dozen of these types in hand. They are quite unconvincing in hand.
Martin
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04/01/2013 12:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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you found that yourself....man, that is spooky.  but is someone actaully leaving fakes silver coins around like the easter bunny hiding eggs? very interesting....  |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Here is a picture of the edge, if it helps!  The coin is silver, its been tested using chemicals (caratest) This has put me off collecting these a bit now.. You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would suppose that you 'detector' fellows are very secretive about your sites. But sometimes you must have 'competition' out there. Anyone else out and about where you found this one ? By the way the edge looks NG to me. Someone is playing with you I think.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Dont give up the ship just yet - it was free and its an interesting piece with some cool provenance. But yeah - someone has been having you on. The coin cant be ancient. I just wonder...how? And why?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 I'm interested! when you find out who is messing with you, have him come leave silver in my yard!  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Really need to get a picture in the area of a 'flan split'.
It looks as if the edge has been worked with light hammering.
The even flan thickness doesn't exactly leave me excited.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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