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Now compare your image with the following coin:-  Same flan shape, same wear pattern, same nick on the chin etc. This can ONLY occur on a cast. The coin I illustrate was sold on ebay in 2007 and was sold be a guy flooding 100s of cast fakes onto the market. The edge of your coin has been worked to hide the seam but it is still there especially evident on the third image of the edge. Regards, Martin |
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Here are a couple more matching examples...  |
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NOW, the game has been given away, hasn't it, eh what?
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Whats that last comment supposed to mean sel? Not taking the mick out of the English are you cos that is totally against the forum conduct buddy.  Thanks for the images maridvnvm, seen loads that all look the same and I have been convinced it is a copy/forgery or whatever the correct term is. I can see a very slight possible join on the third pic of mine, do you have any for me to look at? You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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04/02/2013 11:38 am
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Due to the manufacture methods no two ancients should ever look identical. The fact that these all look identical mean that they must either be cast fakes or there is an outside chance that one of them is the host coin from which the casts were made. In this case I can only conclude that your coin is a modern cast fake.
The edges on all these coins will be subtly different as the obfuscation of the edge seam has been done by hand.
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Martin
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Hi maridvnvm, I am thankful for all the opinions on this and I myself, after looking at all the pictures and links I have been sent totally agree 100 percent that this is a copy or whatever the correct term is. The trouble I am having getting my head round, as a new collector is that this came out of the ground, not only that but it came out on a site that only 2 of us at the time searched. I cleaned this coin along with a few other silver that I have only in the last few weeks, I took them out of my finds as I am selling the other non silver coins I have shortly. A very reliable guy on this forum has seen the pictures of all that I cleaned as I asked him to help me to identify them as I am still pretty clueless (but am learning quickly) He alerted me to the fact this was 'iffy' immediately. I just can't understand that if this is, and it is, a copy, then how, why & what the heck it was doing next to a hedgerow, 6 inches or so down in an undisturbed patch of land?
I am at the moment almost totally reliant on the guys here to help me with id and other questions I have, and have a lot of coins and other items that have never been on the market or offered before for sale and to be honest 99 percent of the guys here have been very helpful and I am very grateful. You sir have been a great help with this and when I do get it to a guy on Thursday that knows his stuff I will post here exactly what he says about it because something is very obviously not right here.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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I cannot explain why or how this came to be where you found it. These fakes are not ancient and not of British origin. They were recently (in the last 5 years or so) produced in Bulgaria as I found when I bought a couple when they first appeared on the market (the coins were shipped from Bulgaria despite the seller claiming to be in the UK and stating that these were British finds). I spotted them for what they are when I had them in hand and the seller immediately refunded my money in order to protect his feedback rating. He did have some "experts" in the UK that he used to confirm my opinion that they were fakes and a few weeks later my fakes appeared on ebay from a seller in the same locations as the "expert" I had sent the coins to for validation. I catalogued about 100 different fakes in an online fakes database (I am one of the admins on it) from the same sources when they continued to appear on the market. I look forward to hearing the opinion of your third party when they have them in hand. I would suggest that simply holding one in hand and feeling around the edge and then trying the same with a genuine struck coin. You should be able to notice that the dubious coin had a more vertical edge to it and feels quite different to a genuine struck coin. Regards, Martin |
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I just can't understand that if this is, and it is, a copy, then how, why & what the heck it was doing next to a hedgerow, 6 inches or so down in an undisturbed patch of land? You don't think someone planted it there and was "Winding You Up", knowing that you would be Detecting in that field? Did someone tell you to go to the hedge and search specifically there? Never having the opportunity to do it, but from what I've seen on "Time Team" most metal detecting finds seem to occur out in the field, randomly, than by a specific place and can be found on the surface, sometimes, due to Plowing. |
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How modern would this be ? I'm asking because my uncle found some Victorian penny's while digging and with them was a fake gold George III half guinea ( gaming piece ) and a plated Edward III quarter noble ! He lives in a small village in Dorset called Milborne st Andrew .
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My understanding is that these were manufactured in Bulgaria within the last 5 years or so.
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Could be a seeded rally in the past , with dishonest organisers using cheap fakes to promote it ?
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I think monkey might be on the money. But cheap this is not - solid silver? Mustve been a posh rally.
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This wasn't planted, I can recall all my 'good' finds. It was in what you would call a 'coinball'. When I return on Thursday I will have the answer. As to the other post, yes you often get of the period 'fakes' but the problem we have here is that we are all sure this is a fake, from probably Bulgaria and these where mainly made from 2007, they where produced in a few places 20 years before as well but this has definitely been in the ground for longer, that I am sure of from my hounding experience. I won't sleep till thursday now  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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A few fakes say £100 but 200 people at £15 a pop , just a thought .
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I will do a search see if I can find any rallies held there before I got to it. I am at the moment digging through everything I have, old photos, notes and my journal to see what other stuff came up from there. If it was 'planted' it was very well done. I am no expert on Roman coins but I detect almost every day, conditions permitting, and to me, it was a totally authentic find. Usually you can tell if the earth has been moved recently for a start.
Just as a thought, is it possible that everyone is wrong on this and it is of the period? We know she was not a well liked subject and even coin minters of the time were paid in secret to discredit her. Or am I getting excited for nothing again?
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