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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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This is not ancient. It is modern. Look at the other modern matching fakes. These are the clincher that guarantee it is modern. The puzzle is how it got to your find location.
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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I have resigned myself to the fact it is modern *sigh. But I am very curious now as to the how/why.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Its definitely modern. No two ways around that. Could a coin ball form that quickly? 5 years is quite a while sat underground. You've got the detecting experience and I wont doubt it if you say its been there longer. These copies are noted to be cast copies - cast from what? This could be an earlier use of those dies.
Either way - nothing dissolved it in the ground and the die state is exactly the same with the other samples. It would have to be the same die to be so similar. Could these have been produced in the 70s, say, and been left in a box since then? Passing hands but not being sold? Forgotten in the warehouse?
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Pillar of the Community
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Not same dies per-se but same casting mould. If these were just a die match then I wouldn't have a problem but the other factors mean that these were created is a casting mould more than likely using the lost wax process.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have to hold my hands up here and actually say that I dont know how long it would take for a nice coin ball to form....
Basically its when you turn up a shovel full of earth, its all pretty loose but you have a solid bit round the coin. I am armed with the phone number of many excellent metdet buddies and will be abusing the British Telecom line shortly!
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
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The final nail in the coffin is this:  A copy with the dot on the reverse between VE and the bust state is that same. And this appears to be the seam:  |
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Basically, I am just not happy enough with the coin for me, if it was my decision to buy it.
Other opinions I will listen to and respect, because my opinion could be wrong. That is how we all learn.
In almost every case, I need to look at the coin in hand with a loupe, before I commit myself to a decision to buy.
I'll have to admit, BenByfield and maridvnvm have said it better than me. They are the ones who found identical coins, not me. Congratulations for your detective work.
That is why I attend view days at numismatic auctions.
If I like what I see and am happy with the auctioneer, I will make a single written bid and see what happens.
I rarely attend the auction itself, and so avoid a room bidding war.
That strategy has served me well for decades.
It helps greatly to have a reasonable collection of fake coins as educational reference, and a good supporting library on the subject.
Edited by sel_69l
04/03/2013 09:18 am
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