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Valued Member
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 Sure, it's a nice coin, but what's wrong with this picture? It's not photoshopped. What do I see here that makes me doubt the intelligence of NGC?
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Pillar of the Community
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Do you mean other than the fact that this coin is from 1965?
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Right on the money there.
How can they miss something so obvious? There wasn't even an issue for 1970.
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"1965", written in Arabic numerals, looks like "1970" in western numerals - or close enough that somebody, without thinking, could easily write the wrong number down. The part in bold, though, is the key.
It's a beginner's mistake. Back when I first started collecting world coins, I had an Egyptian coin I'd dated as "1950", because that's what it said: I9V0. Of course, once I bought a catalogue and found the numeral conversion chart, I realised my error, that it was actually from 1975.
Just goes to show that even the experts at the TPGs can make beginner's mistakes.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Yeah, the mistake is amateurish. The arabic 6 is our 7 and their 5 is our 0. Like you said, that's an amateur mistake, and I don't expect such mistakes from professional grading companies.
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I'm not sure I even understand why this coin was slabbed. Book value at BU is less than a buck. I hate the fact the the TPGs are branching out into world coins. I think the date error they made on this coin shows that they are way out of their league. Sure they know their US coins, they see thousands of those every year. How many Bahrainian 10 fils do you think they've even seen? Is there anything reliable about the grade they give a coin like that? Edited by snowman
05/05/2007 1:16 pm
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I hate the fact the the TPGs are branching out into world coins. I think the date error they made on this coin shows that they are way out of their league.
-snowman
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A grade is a grade is a grade.
I'm sure they can tell the condition of a coin regardless of its country of origin because grading is universal.
What bothers me is that they don't even have the common sense to realize that arabic dating might be different from what we use.
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A grade is a grade is a grade.
I'm sure they can tell the condition of a coin regardless of its country of origin because grading is universal.
Far from correct. If grading was so cut & dried, there would be no need for TPGs. Grading is subjective and variable, even within the TPGs. If it weren't so, why would there be so many re-submissions in hopes of higher grades. Contrary to common misconception, grading is NOT based on the appearance of a coin, but rather on the graders interpretation of the appearance. What a grader calls "wear" on a coin may in fact be a weak strike, planchet flaw, or even design nuances. This is where the broad "assault" on world-wide coins is haunting the TPGs. Without advanced study of a particular series, a grader cannot know the full characteristics of a design/type. An excellent example would be the stainless steel coinage of Italy (and others, including Brazil). The very hard nature of this metal makes wear very minimal, but to a trained eye, it is detectable. Without a grader that has had in-depth research and experience on the designs of these coins, their grades (I prefer to call them "guesstimates") are no better than mine. But because of their standing as a "professional", they are accepted as accurate. Aluminum coinage is another vast area that again has specific characteristics that need to have advanced knowledge & experience in order to understand and know the grading. |
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I've learned a considerable amount about several numismatic subjects from this thread. The neophyte mistake on a professional service is most entertaining. Thank you to the previous posters for sharing their time and experience.
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Where's the date on that one?
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On the reverse, left of the crown: MDLXII = 1562.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
Edited by Sap
05/27/2007 05:39 am
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Here's my Charles IX testons from the Toulouse mint (mint mark 'M' under the bust)   The year dates are in Roman numerals, on the reverses, left of the crown: first row MDLXIIII (1564), MDLXIII (1563), MDLXII (1562), second row MDLXVI (1566, you can see the bottoms of the letters only), MDLXIIII (1564, different bust) I have a serious hole to fill at MDLXV (1565). |
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Posted 05/04/2007 8:21 pm
