Real Or Fake? 1788 Mass. Commom Wealth

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pdm12772 Valued Member United States 105 Posts	Posted 04/01/2013 4:09 pm 11.6G (weighs) Moved to US Classics forum - Sap Edited by pdm12772 04/01/2013 4:11 pm Report this Post to the Staff

philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 04/01/2013 7:16 pm Better than the crude souvenir copies that turn up on the Forum. There are only about four 1788 reverses without a period after MASSACHUSETTS, and this eagle doesn't seem to match any of them. I believe I found a coin that matches this one on the Heritage Auctions site, though, listed as an "unknown copy." http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...8&lotNo=1924 Report this Post to the Staff
vermontensium Moderator United States 16679 Posts	Posted 04/01/2013 7:37 pm It is with nearly 100% certainty that you have a copy. The date for starters, is incorrect in it's diagnostics. The indian, albeit pretty good, also has incorrect design elements, especially the head. swcoin.ecrater.com Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 04/01/2013 10:47 pm And here it is again! Interestingly, this one is a grainy, mushy-featured specimen, described as an "electrotype" by forgerynetwork.com, but the Indian's skirts, the eagle's legs, claws, and wing feathers, and the olive branch, all conform exactly to pdm12772's coin and to the Heritage specimen. But why would someone make an electrotype of a coin that isn't even a genuine specimen in the first place? This counterfeit must have a very interesting history! http://www.forgerynetwork.com/asset...SElvppGCimo= Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4415 Posts	Posted 04/01/2013 11:41 pm This sure is a choice copy! Nice catch on the die match there, Philadelphian! I've not seen these before. Very interesting study pieces ... As to the question of why would someone make an electrotype of a "coin" that isn't genuine ... It may be to highlight the beauty of this piece, due to the perceived value or both, methinks. That Heritage specimen fetched $276. Of course, it had the provenance going for it. Then too, perhaps, this specimen was made by someone simply honing their skills on a popular design? Report this Post to the Staff
pdm12772 Valued Member United States 105 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 05:32 am Can one of these be graded? Report this Post to the Staff
philadelphian Pillar of the Community United States 3253 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 1:41 pm Well, the TPG's may argue differently, but you can grade anything, as long as you have other examples to compare it to. And ExoGuy, I think you have seen one of these before! Remember this thread of yours from yesteryear... https://goccf.com/t/125754 Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4415 Posts	Posted 04/02/2013 7:52 pm Hey Philadelphian, I'll have to plead senility on this variety! That is the same variety about which I'd posted a thread. Now, I have to wonder how many more of these will be cropping up in the marketplace, given the prices that they're fetching. Report this Post to the Staff
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