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I sent in a coin to PCGS Crossover service for the first time. It was in an NGC holder. I checked the status and here's what I found.

PCGS-Crossover

So I can guess that DNC under the Grade heading probably means "did not cross" but if that's the case does it seem odd that they have assigned a PCGS certification number of 27408062 to it? That certification number doesn't come up on their site but this information was just posted today so who knows.

Anyone else have experience with their crossover service or know what might be going on here?
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 Posted 04/03/2013  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mds308 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Call PCGS for an explanation. I'm curious what others have to say.


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I sent them an email.
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That's just PCGS' number assigned for the grading room. It means nothing when your coin DNC (Did Not Cross). The coin will be returned to you in it's original slab. It's happened to me before too. :(
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Probably a number to track the transaction. I gather you specified must cross to a specific grade or do not crack?
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I'm just curios .... Why would you want to have a coin re graded by PCGS? Is NGC inferior?
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@BamaBlue

No, it's just that in this case there are far fewer in MS65 at PCGS and thus it typically sells for a lot more. NGC lists this coin at $4660 in MS65 and PCGS at $7000 in MS65 (only 1 graded MS65 so far and only 1 graded MS66). I figured it was worth a try.
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I wonder what it would grade if you sent it in raw?

Not saying there is any price fixing or elitism going on at PCGS but if they only have 1 graded MS65 they may be a little more thorough in the grading of the coin vs a common date coin with a pop of 500 and especially if you you sent it in their main competitors slab.

I used to work with a guy who had a slight mental imbalance and craved attention and had his mind set on something and no matter what you told him he would go on and on until someone agreed with him. One day he asked to look at his car. I told him what was wrong with it and he said that can't be what's wrong with it is part X that is wrong. He went and asked 10 other people most of whom knew very little about cars but even they sided with me. He came back at the end of the day and said "well Dan thinks it's part X" I said well go ahead and buy part X then.

What's the point of my story? Sometimes there is no getting through to some people when their (PCGS) mind is already made up and if you sent them a NGC MS66 CAC for crossover they might not even cross it at MS65.
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Thanks for the explanation TBone. You're spot on; it was worth a try.
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Sometimes there is no getting through to some people when their ( PCGS) mind is already made up and if you sent them a NGC MS66 CAC for crossover they might not even cross it at MS65.


I havent heard of a CAC coin not crossing and would have sent that one to them first if it was one of the ones they do to see what they think. But you are right some of it is elitism which goes for all of the TPGs on a cross over as they look for an excuse to say they grade harder.

PCGS does seem to get very conservative with their grading which is why they have the premium in the first place. You probably would have had a better shot with a raw coin, but on the flip slide it is was a weak 65 do you have the guts to get a 64 even on a resubmit to NGC if you dont get what you wanted from PCGS?
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I havent heard of a CAC coin not crossing and would have sent that one to them first if it was one of the ones they do to see what they think. But you are right some of it is elitism which goes for all of the TPGs on a cross over as they look for an excuse to say they grade harder.

PCGS does seem to get very conservative with their grading which is why they have the premium in the first place. You probably would have had a better shot with a raw coin, but on the flip slide it is was a weak 65 do you have the guts to get a 64 even on a resubmit to NGC if you dont get what you wanted from PCGS?


Unfortunately I'm not a member at CAC and I don't think they're taking new members on right now otherwise I would probably send it to them. I feel it's a very solid MS65 actually so pretty surprised it didn't cross but with a coin that expensive I don't have the guts to crack and resubmit to either PCGS or NGC and potentially end up with an MS64.

Bird in the hand worth two in the bush I think.
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I would also go the CAC route. There are many dealers authorized to submit to CAC, you might look them up on the CAC website.
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Unfortunately I'm not a member at CAC and I don't think they're taking new members on right now otherwise I would probably send it to them. I feel it's a very solid MS65 actually so pretty surprised it didn't cross but with a coin that expensive I don't have the guts to crack and resubmit to either PCGS or NGC and potentially end up with an MS64.


They arent really ever taking new members, you have to get in touch with them and get put on their waiting list and randomly one day youll get your membership packet.

I agree though about cracking it. Id rather leave it as is than risk something happening and it dropping a grade.
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Elitism, crankiness, or maybe they have a quota system for performing crossovers. It's obviously easier and more profitable for them to "DNC" a coin than to crack it, slab it, and guarantee it.

My NGC PR64 Barber half received a DNC when I sent it in to PCGS. I later cracked it out and submitted it raw and they graded it PR-64CAM. I don't think it really became a higher-quality coin when I converted it into a raw submission.
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