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 Posted 04/08/2013  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmmm never know unless you weigh it and really look at it. Also do you think its been cleaned.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure looks like a B-5 BB-27. And that's the most common of the Flowing Hair dollars, relatively speaking.
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 Posted 04/08/2013  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stringboogie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
maybe its just me.i know I guy who recently bought a fake mid-lower 1795 that looked very real.kinda leary of these in raw form
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I came up with the same die pair as philadelphian. I noticed that with this die pair there is a die gouge right behind the top lock of hair but I can't see it in the pictures. It doesn't mean that it is not there. Viewing several examples on Heritage has shown that it is visible even in grades of G/VG. The coin does look good at a quick glance but without better pictures, I remain unsure what to call it. While I place the most weight on the coin itself, I will note the seller hasn't sold much related to numismatics.
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04/09/2013 10:07 am
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I had assumed that the "bar" in the left obverse field for this variety might only be there in later die states, but found a pic of a die state I specimen, and it was there. Might just be weak here, or, as was BadToTheBone's concern, might have come off in a cleaning.
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 Posted 04/09/2013  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All right, class, if you'll indulge me, let me introduce some statistical terminology of diagnostics.
Positive predictive value vs negative predictive value:
The elongated die gouge angling down from the highest rear hair curl that D0ubl3Eagle is talking about has very high positive predictive value (PPV) for this die variety; no other variety will have it. The presence of three leaves beneath each wing has less PPV; this variety will have it, but so do some others. What I was wondering about was the die gouge's negative predictive value (NPV); if you don't see it, does it rule this variety out? If I can find an example of B-5 BB-27 without the gouge, the NPV falls to zero.
Hope you were paying attention. There'll be a quiz later.
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Whoops. Looks like the listing was pulled! Or did someone "buy it now?"
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If they BINed it, or if the seller pulled it, it would still be visible, since it is completely gone ebay pulled it.
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its been relisted.i think its the color that's got me http://www.ebay.com/itm/14095234475....m1423.l2649
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one more comment an i'll quit pickin on this coin.despite the details grade it doesn't look worn,like an uncirculated vg-fine
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looks like this one is no longer posted
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No, I still see the relisting under stringboogie's link.
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I went back 200 Feedbacks in this seller's record (to 2008). Nice and clean, but I saw no evidence whatsoever that this person is in any way qualified to judge the authenticity of a Flowing Hair - it's the only circulation issue coin they've offered in that time. That in itself gives me pause; you don't have to be dishonest to get taken.
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