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$2 Bills Halves And Dollar Coins

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 Posted 04/13/2013  03:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Well, its about time I reported a few things on the circulation of the $2 bill, the half, and the dollar coin.

Dollar Coins: I tried talking to one of the Dollar Coin Alliance people, the guy that told me to call him this month, and he was unavailable that day. I also talked with the wpman at the BEP about the "$1 Bill Vs. Dollar Coin" issue, to ask her what she thought about the idea, I mean, if it seemed like the dollar coin idea was becoming more popular, as the DCA claimed it was to me, and the BEP lady said that the DCA people seem to be "lying low" at the moment, and she did not really know much else about the issue. The BEP lady did tell me though, that she was happy to tell me any information that she knows, or could give out, on the new $100s release date or which denomination would be next (in the next redesign, of course) and I asked her is she seen any sketches of the next redesign's bills, and she told me she had not, and when I told her I was told that she was the one overseeing the next redesign of U.S. paper currency, she told me that, she was not, and that she was just a public affairs person. But she is very nice, and tells me to call if I ever need anything, and I told her that I try ro only call once a month, to try not to make a pest of myself, and she just always says "thats alright" and the secretary lady for the DCA also told me the same thing. I tried calling three times, and I told he that I could call back any time, and when I said I didn't want to make a pest of myself, she just replied (No, I like when you call" and she wasn't being sarcastic either. So, nothing to report on the dollar coin issue or when they are going to reintroduce the "COINS Act"

$2 Bills & Halves: Well, once again I must apologize that I didn't know which forum to post this to, because it involves both, paper money, and coins, but, mostly coins I figure, so I chose this one. Anyway, this was for the discussion I had with the vending industry on the accepting $2 bills and the accepting, and dispensing of halves. Mainly on the upgrading to accommodate the half's larger size. I told him about how I examined all of the vending machines at my local Walmart, and the slots looked like they could either be cut to be made bing enough to accept the half, or the whole coin slot could be swaped for a larger one. I also told him that, with the vending industry accepting and dispensing halves, there would be less trips to the machines to empty the quarter tubes, and that, people here have been telling me that ots probably as somple as the flip of a switch to accept halves as it is to accept small dollar coiins. And he said "I see your point. I haven't gotten around to talking to my boss about it, but call me back in a few days and I'll see what I can do" Then I decided to ask "Are you guys (NAMA) a part of the Dollar Coin Alliance?" and he said "I don't think so" and I said, "Yeah, I talked to a secretary while you were out on a business trip all last week, if you guys were still fighting for the dollar coin to replace the $1 bill, and she told me that NAMA gave up on that idea years ago, feeling it was a futile battle, and that they don't invest any money in the issue anymore" and the guy said "Yep, thats true. We had been fighting for so long that we've even started looking more into machines that accept cards more. So either my idea for $2 bills to cut down the use of $1 bills and retooling to accept halves to reduce the amount of trips to the vending machines to empyu quarter tubes and become the new wokhorse coin with the dollar coin has failed, may go over better than all together replacine the $1 bill completely with a dollar coin. But I did ask a person at my local Walmart if theu could program their machines to dispense halves and $2 bills as needed, and the manager I talked to, claimed that the machines could only dispense "normal money". And I asked at my local Meijer as well if they could get their machines modified to accept (because remember, I said Meijer's self checkouts don't even accept halves) and dispense halves as needed, and dis pense $2 bills as needed, and she claimed that "The machines could only give out pennies, nickels, dimes and quarters. There is no room for the machine to give out any more coins." and I said, "Well, the coin slot is plenty big enough to accept halves, so rge origonal designers were obviously contemplating it, and what if the dollar coin replaces the $1 bill? What happens then?" and she just stared at me with a puzzled look on her face.

And thats about it.

Oh, wait. I almost forgot. A few nights ago, I was doing a research on trying to find out if there were any vending machines out there that accepted halves, and I found one website that said their Coca Cola machines sold cans of Coke for 75 cents, and the machine only accepted halves and quarters. So, obviouslu, they're out there. Maybe some select few companies chose to upgrade their machines to accept halves. The Coke machine that was jammed up with coins at my local Walmart has cans or bottles for $1 and they have a slot big enough to comfortably fit halves, so I'm wondering if thats one of those machines that were upgraded, and were 75 cents, and were later raised to $1 in price.

Well, that's it for now, on my reports on my quest to circulate odd money. Oh, and, no word on whether the Federal Reserve is getting close to annoucing a release date for the new $100 bills either. But it has to be soon, because I was told that the Feds don't like releasing new currency around the hoildays, or past October, so you gotta figure this month or next month, otherwise, we may be waiting until some time in 2014 or beyond.

That is all, and next week, when I make a few more calls, I'll keep whoever is interested, updated.
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 Posted 04/13/2013  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to admire your passion.
But I think if I were one of the people you are contacting, my response would be the same...

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and what if the dollar coin replaces the $1 bill? What happens then?" and she just stared at me with a puzzled look on her face.


If I were busy at work and someone asked me this, I likely would try to kindly state the obvious and say, "The machines would be changed, at that time, to handle the coins. After all, we use the machines to sell our products. So if the money changes, THEN we invest money to make the necessary changes to our equipment." I admit I admit a question like this also would put me in an uncomfortable spot where I have to fight not to be sarcastic.

In the financial disaster we are in (I think any sane person can agree its not about to get better with current insanity being handed down from on high - it has not worked so far as "promised" - no big surprise) everyone is pinching pennies. Right now is not the time to make things more convenient for a hypothetical possibility.

As to half dollars...

Being 50, I now understand that for a century when a person could get by with a buck in their pocket, carrying a silver dollar was no big deal. But when money started losing its value, it became cumbersome to carry 5 or ten of the large coins.

This makes sense.

So what about halves?

As a kid growing up in the 60's I always asked why people did not use them. The reply kept coming back that they were too big to lug a number of them around.

This same idea applies to dollar coins whether or not we personally think it should or not - the proof is here on this forum. Check out these threads where the Canadians were asked about the "weight issue" and you will find that the threads keep having entries in them to the effect they do not like the weight of the dollar coins in their pockets.
https://goccf.com/t/112046
https://goccf.com/t/112063
https://goccf.com/t/141177

In the last one you can see that the question posed to them was even slanted toward one side of the issue, yet the answer came up the same. The weight of these coins is a very real issue for most people. It does not matter whether you or I agree with it. It is fact. And human nature is always going to be going towards that which makes humankind more comfortable.

A legit way of managing how many you would have to carry(by watching, carefully, your coin handling habits) is possible. But this is another added, perceived hassle people will not deal with! Most peoples' attitude is one of not wanting to be bothered which coins they pull out of their pockets to spend so as to minimize the number of coins needing to be in their pockets!

The only way the changes to every vending machine will be made is if, like other countries, our government once again becomes our nanny and decides they will force us to do what they want us to (in the guise of it being for our own good - whether it is or not - since there are other solution available) instead of being a servant to the people as representing "We The People" as "We The People" desire them to.

If they revalued the dollar - which likely will not happen - and it only took a one dollar coin to make it through a day, then likely people would actually not mind the smaller dollar coins - or even the half - since they once did use the Morgans and Peace dollars. However, if you notice, even when Peace and Morgan dollars were circulating, people had currency with them. The half dollars were a workhorse back then, so I have been told and the condition of most Barber halves seem to attest to this, and maybe (note this is speculation here) People did not mind the halves so much b/c they were a smaller alternative to a silver "cartwheel" as they were called, in their pocket? When you grow up with a large cartwheel as a norm, then a half seems small by comparison.

When Ikes were made, again, I asked why people did not use them. The overwhelming response was one of the weight issue again. Why would someone carry 5-10 of these in a pocket rather than a piece of paper? Even in the 70's, we believed a dollar did not go far and you did need more than just a buck to make it through a day.

I, for one, am glad I live where I can have a choice. American's have been known for having freedoms and being allowed to make choices.

I hate to say it, but you can keep trying what you are doing and I have a feeling it is akin to trying to move a mountain (making people ignore their self-perceived comfort zones) with a teaspoon (telling people how wonderful it would be if they ignore their own desires of comfort). All the ambition and passion in the world will not accomplish this task - as shown by history. only an unjustified coercion will make the change.

But if you enjoy what you are doing... keep it up! Make funny looks back at them
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 Posted 04/13/2013  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eurocoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like to use odd coins when I can but if I'm honest, the best solution would be redesign your coinage. For vending machines electronical payment methods would be the most efficient and comfortable IMO.
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At my local BOA bank yesterday, as I always do, I asked for any halves. For a long time not even one. This time a teller said great, do you want $50 worth. I said of course. They handed me a bag of them and said this is great. No one ever wants these. Just as difficult as trying to give people those baby dollar coins.
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 Posted 04/13/2013  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Earle42,

I had no intention of being "sarcastic" to the lady. She is a very nice person, and we know her from going to that store a lot, so I would never be that way towards her. Just clearing that up.

As far as people carrying halves, if you're going to carry two quarters anyway, then whats the big deal, when carrying one half would be more conveinient to carry than two quarters, just as people say carrying a dollar coin is more conveinient to carry than four quarters, some say, even if that dollar coin is a large Ike dollar?
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just carl,

From my personal experience, I have seemed to have noticed people wanting both $2 bills and/or halves over small dollars (Probably has something to do with the comtinuing availabilty of the $1 bill). They seem to hate the small dollars, but most of them love the large Ike dollars as well. If its some young teenaged cashier ay a McDonalds or Arbys, they at first think they are halves, then I show them the back of the coins where it says "ONE DOLLAR" and they start flipping out, saying "AWESOME! I've never seen these!"
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As far as people carrying halves, if you're going to carry two quarters anyway, then whats the big deal, when carrying one half would be more conveinient to carry than two quarters


Its not a big deal but some people dont like it. On the flip side its also not a big deal to carry two quarters and theres no significant advantage to carrying a half instead. Like with the dollar bill and dollar coin if theres no significant advantage to the new method people arent going to change their ways unless theyre forced too
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 Posted 04/13/2013  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Earle42 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@fox - please forgive me of my wording made it sound like I was saying you were being sarcastic. I did not mean to imply this at all.

What I was trying to say is that if John Doe asked me about current plans to alter my machines for a hypothetical "what if" future scenario, it would be hard for me to not think sarcastically or at least wonder if John was being serious with me.

As far as carrying one dollar coin vs 4 quarters, I agree, in theory, this makes sense. But a review of the Canadian threads will show that what happened instead was when the Loonie came out, people found themselves with loads of dollar coins in daily business. Since Canadians did not have paper $1.00 and $2.00 bills anymore (unlike the US, Canadians have always used $2.00 bills as readily as they use $1.00 bills), they end up with their normal amount of pocket change plus all that would have been in their wallets.

This is where the weight issues hits them. Its not an "either or" situation of dollar coins OR quarters, its a situation where they have to have these coins in their pockets In ADDITION TO normal amounts of pocket change.
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From my personal experience, I have seemed to have noticed people wanting both $2 bills and/or halves over small dollars


I have had the same experience, people almost always like halves or $2's more than dollar coins, I don't know why because dollar coins seem significantly more common.
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I almost never see people pay with cash around here.
I always use cash, but almost never use change. When I leave the house I only take bills with me.
When I buy something and have change in my pocket, I still pay in bills even if I might have the change for it. Its just a hassle to count out the change when I just want to get out of the store.
Would I take 2 quarters over a half? Would I take a half over 2 quarters? No, I'd just take a dollar bill.

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