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Please grade this S-1A.   |
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these classic heads 1808-14 are challenging to grade. soft planchets, die and strike issues, makes it tough to determine true wear and grade properly. I am going to go with G6 on this one. I posted mine so you could compare. I'm calling mine VF25   Edited by panzaldi
04/17/2013 1:31 pm
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Thanks Panzalti, I like your s-1a a lot too; looks like both of ours were weakly struck. Still a cool variety!:) BTW, nice type set going on there!  |
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there appears to be a die crack on your rev from the end of UNITED to the end of STATES. I dont have that on mine, thats interesting if it is. can you tell if it is? if so, it may mean yours was struck later than mine and it occurred between our strikes. I need to learn how to take pics like yours. no matter what I do, I cant seem to get the lighting correct and the stupid autofocus has a problem honing in on the coins
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Here is what Penny Whimsy says: Quote:
1 - A Front of Hair band Curved or 1st Star Weak or Absent... because of reverse die sinking, and on some examples this star is extremely faint (hence called Twelve-star variety).
Die break variations. Reverse: Found perfect, but usually has an arc crack from rim through D, across upper left side of wreath and through last S to rim. The die begins to sink early around TA and eventually there is swelling in nearly the whole region enclosed by the crack. Another crack runs from D to wreath below, and across ONE. The head is incused in the center of the reverse.
R-2... As the reverse die sinking develops, the lowest star on the obverse, becomes fainter and gradually disappears altogether. An interesting variety IMHO. Lots going on! |
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Really cool TJsCoins.  . Also, you refer to it as S-1a. I was under the impression that it was S-277. is that a different attribution subtype? |
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Panzaldi, you are correct it would be 277. I have just started using Sheldon's book; still figuring it out:) Here is pic of another one. This one is still showing 13 stars. It is not one of mine; pics are from ebay:   |
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If anyone else has this variety please post yours it would be great to com pair
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whats really interesting with the 13 star you posted is that it also has the same reverse die break as yours. what this is telling me is that my strike was prior to the die break and was a result of the reverse die sinking and that yours obviously was struck after the break. however, the 13 star you posted seems to be between us showing the die break but having a star #1 (although weak). not sure how this could have happened. you would think that star #1 on the 13 star should also be missing. if this was the actual sequence then I'm confused. The only other explanation I can think of is that their were more than 1 die set with the same reverse die sinking issue. One cracked and the other did not. Maybe one of other copper experts can clarify what occurred.
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Panzaldi, I am confused also. Following your line of thought, I think, could the weakness or strength of the strike help this make sense? I believe mine is very weak strike. I am re-reading and checking mine, yours,& mr. 13...a mystery here? If I am looking at Sheldon correctly there is only one obverse / reverse match up. Hhmmmm...  |
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I think you may have the answer TJsCoins. looking at the reverse of your coin and the 13 star you will notice an addition die crack in area #1 that appears on both coins, however, you will also see on the 13 star an additional area I designated as area#2 that appears to be more of a die clash than a die break. that could occur based on strike strength. you can see it on yours but it is very light. mystery solved?  |
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Great thread, I don't venture into the Large cent area often, as my knowledge is so lacking still, been concentrating on Half Cents this past year. It's neat to see how CCF comes together to solve a coin mystery! Nice post panzaldi - looks like the OP's coin to a tee. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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thanks WestCoin, that one was fun. |
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That was fun!  |
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