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The "Graded Coin Value" Fraud At Online Auctions

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 Posted 05/10/2007  12:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mila_cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The "Graded Coin Value" Fraud at Online Auctions - Learn to Protect Yourself
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 Posted 05/11/2007  12:27 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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The old saying, "A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet" does not apply to the world of coin grading!


Nice little piece. Should just link this on over to anyone here that asks the difference of "other" grading companies besides the big 4.
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 Posted 05/31/2007  10:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add magusxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For those that don't know, over the past few years comic books have been encapsulated and sold for high premiums. One book from the 1980's which guided at $150 was graded absolutely perfect, a 10.0. It sold at auction for $2,500.

Unfortunately, unlike coins, there's a heck-of-a-lot of a comic book you can't seen when it is sealed in plastic. You know, like 30+ pages.

As a friend of mine used to say, "Right church, wrong pew."
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 Posted 08/26/2007  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atlashealth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Grade the coin...always, but especially if they are encapsulated in lower tier grading services. And if the value jumps through the roof on the next highest grade, make sure you err on the side of the lower grade,unless its PCGS or NGC!
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 Posted 03/02/2008  08:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shamrock4sure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The author's personal opinion allowed for ANACS to be second tier in a three place race. Something like incompetence and over-grading compared to the holy and righteous to outright fraud. The differences between PCGS and ANACS isn't even close as compared to the rip-off artists and their PGS, Personal Grading Service. (The author's implied scale (1-2-3) of grading grading services was nearly as deceptive as the deception being practiced by the ebay crooks.)THIS STATEWMENT SHOULD HAVE READ- The author's implied scale of (1-2-3) is misleading in that one could place ANACS in the middle with such a great gulf between PCGS and outright fraud, dishonesty and lack of ethics. It's like if PCGS, ANACS and the PGS's were to race in NASCAR 500 mile race, if ANACS were to finish a car length behind it's the same as only completing 250 miles. Whereas the PGS never left the starting grid. The author should have explained themselves better or left ANACS out of the picture. I'm sure some mnewbies have been led astray by this article. The original idea was good but definitely went astray. My two stinc'n zinc'n Lincolns.
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03/08/2008 12:06 pm
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 Posted 03/03/2008  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muckeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Simple answer!
Here in Oz we learn to grade and don't buy slabs.
Take some responsibility for your own actions/decisions.
regards,
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 Posted 03/07/2008  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Shamrock4sure to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have been approached by a member of the forum on a PM to modify what I had said in the post above. I'm not quite sure how to respond. I tried to tell it it like it is unlike the PGS'ers. The original intent of the article was great but the author messed up by including ANACS or any other legitimate grading service without clearly identifying where they stood in comparison to the rip-off dealers PGS coins and PCGS. Maybe it was an oversight on the author's behalf but including ANACS should not have been included into the article in the manner in which it was done. If the author holds PCGS to be the finest grading service for any and all merits, so be it. The way the article was written it implied that ANACS was in the same catagory as the PGS.
Having worked in an engineering environment for over thirty years and nothing can be left for guessing, I have a critical eye for what I am looking at. If I have offended Mila or the author please let me know how.
If the forum leadership would want to contact myself on this matter I am open for discussion.
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 Posted 03/07/2008  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I finally got around to reading the article in question. I have to agree that there could have been a little more clarity in regards to the relationship between the 3 tiers of grading services. There is a vast difference in my mind between tiers 2 & 3, while the difference between tiers 1 & 2 are minimal.


I am an advocate of free speech, so I don't think I would have asked you to modify your post. It doesn't seem to break any of the forum rules as I understand them. However, I think one problem with your post is the following quote:
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The author's implied scale (1-2-3) of grading grading services was nearly as deceptive as the deception being practiced by the ebay crooks.

In my opinion, that seems to be the same as not making a clear distinction between tiers 2 & 3.

Edited by trdhrdr007
03/07/2008 10:12 am
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thank you for the article
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I liked the article, and see that you were positive about 4 of the soon to be (17SEP09) allowed, by ebay, to be certifers of coins for their site. The other being DCS, anyony familiar with them?
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