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German Notgeld Tokens

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 Posted 04/17/2013  10:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have recently acquired a decently sized foreign coin collection. This collection has about 80+ Notgeld and other various transportation tokens from Germany.
Foreign coins is something that I have recently got into. As far as Notgeld, I know next to nothing.
Since I like to research and learn, I am trying to attribute all of these tokens. I haven't really not been able to (so far) find each one, but sometimes descriptions are sketchy. For some I have found the F#, but for some I have not.
I wanted to know for these German Notgeld tokens, and others:
- best online sources?
- what attribution numbers/scales are used? For example, KM numbers are used for foreigns. What about these?
- which books are the best to acquire?
- any good dealer websites out there which can also be used for reference?

Thanks.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To picture a whole lot at the same time, put them in a scanner.
Turn them over and scan again.

Although the picture of the individual coins is not as good we get to see a lot of tokens.
Perhaps there is someone here among us who can help you identify them.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add platinrubel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the best intenet resource is http://www.ma-shops.com

this numismatic field is very special and different.
most books are only available in german.

notgeld, made of metal, paper and other materials has been minted in nearly all cities, villages and towns and also from companies in germany, austria and former german areas because of the first world war, inflation and the lack of current money.

standard catalog in the germanspeaking countries:
Walter Funck: Die deutschen Notmünzen: Alle amtlichen Ausgaben und deren Varianten der Länder, Kreise, Städte und Gemeinden
http://www.amazon.de/Die-deutschen-..._sim_sbs_b_1
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 Posted 04/18/2013  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the responses.
Actually there are a little over 40 pcs., not the 80 I posted above.
Here is what I have, and I have a few questions for some:

(all tokens)

50 PFENNIG SIEGEN TOKEN 1918
50 PFENNIG FULDA TOKEN 1917
25 PFENNIG COBLENZ TOKEN 1918
25 PFENNIG ESCHWEGE TOKEN ND
10 PFENNIG ESCHWEGE TOKEN ND
10 PFENNIG STADT FRANKFURT AM MAIN 1917 (with hole)
10 PFENNIG HOMBURG TOKEN 1920
10 FRANKFURT-WEST FONTAINE & CO. ND
10 PFENNIG STADT LOHR AM MAIN 1919
10 PFENNIG STADT MAINZ 1917
10 PFENNIG SCHWEINFURT ND
20 PFENNIG HOCHBAHN HAMBURG UNDERGROUND. ND
10 PFENNIG STADT KISSINGEN 1917
50 PFENNIG STADT GIESSEN 1918
10 PFENNIG BUDINGEN ND
10 PFENNIG STADT MUNSTER 1918
15 PFENNIG MUNCHEN 1918
10 PFENNIG BENSHEIM 1917
5 PFENNIG STADT MUHLHAUSEN 1917
5 PFENNIG STADT HERSFELD ND
10 FFENNIG STADT FRANKFURT 1919
10 PFENNIG STADT WIESENBADEN ND
5 PFENNIG STADT ALTENBERG 1920
10 PFENNIG STADT CASSEL 1919
25 PFENNIG STADT MULHEIM 1921
1 SAMMEL MARKE SCHWENNINGEN 1935
10 PFENNIG STADT CAMBERG 1917
10 PFENNIG STADT DARMSTADT 1917
5 PFENNIG STADT FRANKENTHAL 1918
10 PFENNIG STADT HEILBRONN 1918
10 PFENNIG EISLEBEN 1918
10 PFENNIG STADT MAINZ 1918
2 PFENNIG STADT FREUDENSTADT 1920
10 PFENNIG STADT WORMS 1918
1 PFENNIG STADT MARBURG 1917
10 PFENNIG STADT KAISERLAUTERN 1917
5 PFENNIG STADT SUHL ND
10 PFENNIG STADT GIESSEN 1918
10 PFENNIG STADT ASCHAFFENBURG 1917
10 PFENNIG STADT ISERLOHN 1917
10 PFENNIG STADT COBLENZ 1920

For the 25 Pfennig Stadt Mulheim, does someone know the F#?
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04/18/2013 5:49 pm
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For the first: it is very important, to write the correct city names.
It might be strange for you and I know that there is no letter ä, ö or ü existing in the states.
you can also write "ae" instead of "ä", "oe" for "ö" and "ue" for "ü".

the problem is: in germany there is one town with the name "Munster" located in lower saxony and there also exists a town "Münster" in North Rhine-Westphalia.
There are also existing many "Mulheim" (Mülheim) and Muhlheim (Mühlheim) in different areas of Germany.

and to locate the first: The name of the town is Siegen.

There are a lot of mistakes in the english and american based numismatic literatures. (esp. Krause/Mishler in Germany and Austria is very famous for its several dozens of mistakes regarding the regions, names and territories ;-)

About the Notgeld, I can´t tell you more, because it´s not my special interest.
By the way: this Notgeld are no tokens or jetons, it was local issued legal tender.
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 Posted 04/18/2013  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. My keyboard doesn't have those characters so the doubled vowels will help.
Some of the online sites I have been using do add the state name after the city name, so I should add them to my coin files and when I describe them. Thanks again.
Being from Austria, do you collect Austrian coins and currency or also other countries? Do you collect German? I have a question for a German coin and I'm looking for some help.
I haven't gone through all of these coins yet, but I'm sure there will be some from Austria.
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 Posted 04/19/2013  03:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add platinrubel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, originally, I am from Germany. (cologne)
I am specialized on the coins of cologne, of course. This is one part of my collection.
The second part is about contemporary counterfeits of goldcoins.

I do not collect austrian or other german coins, but I still have a lot of them.
Of course I know also a lot about the german/austrian/central european numismatics.
greets
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check this out:

http://(131231) Not Allowed - Auto-Removed /countries/Germany_all0.php
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here are also some interesting books:

Frenzel, M.: Übersichtskatalog der deutschen Not- und Ersatzgeldmünzen. Augsburg 1984.
Frenzel, Uwe und Günter Fritz: Marken, Zeichen und Notmünzen der Verkehrsunternehmen in Deutschland und Ã-sterreich-Ungarn. 1979
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Thanks for the info. I found another 3 mixed in the German coin portion of the foreign coins I purchased.
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I specialize in collecting German Notgeld coins. There are a small number of catalogues or books on these, but two of the best are the Lamb (Engish) book and the Funck (German) book. I can probably answer any specific questions you may have.
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