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This doubling resembles a case of re-punching. 4 different coins. Same doubling effect on each. Same "tail" on the upright E. Toning obscures the 4th coin features, but the tail is there. The whole E is twisted in relation to the other letters.    Control+ to enlarge photo  Edited by lambecolin
04/18/2013 9:29 pm
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Nice lambecolin... noticed that the "DEI" on these coins has a certain degree of a tilt to it...haven't seen too many of these 20 cent coins but just wanted to mention how nice of shape these are especially for being as old as they are... Nice.
Hope someone can help out with this.
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I call these "twisted " E's
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Pillar of the Community
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I checked the one I posted the other day just to see if I had a relative of your coins. nope
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RK55--Your coin is twisted---I estimate 2 to 3 % of the 1858 20 cent is twisted.
It might become a variety (Off the same die)--- only about 200 exist.
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Can't believe I didn't see it, think I was looking for the doubling effect and overlooked the "twisted" E.
What references show only 200 exist? or is it based on your research of this date and the estimation of the survival amount of all 1858's
curious here, thanks RK
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Survival number pinned down by Ron Turner's article of 2009---7,342
I found 4 twisted in about 150 searches = 2.7%
To be confident about the 2.7% I need to search about 300 coins.(Statistically speaking)
My hunting will go on.
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I checked the 2 I have - 1 is the "twisted" variety. Identical to the one pictured above.
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Valued Member
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I checked the 2 I have - 1 is the "twisted" variety. Identical to the one pictured above.
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Valued Member
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I checked the 2 I have - 1 is the "twisted" variety. Identical to the one pictured above.
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Valued Member
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I checked the 2 I have - 1 is the "twisted" variety. Identical to the one pictured above.
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I have been thinking about this error--- which is an unintentional mint error -- sloppy work at the mint--- this would never become a separate variety unless the market demanded it. A good example would be the 1936 BAR coins, which are essentially plain die cracks. So what we are left with are Twisted E's -- mint errors. Much better than PMD's !!!!!!! |
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I just checked my 1858 20 cent piece (ICCS MS-62), look what I found! The picture is foggy because I'm shooting through the ICCS plastic holder.  |
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Perfect specimen !! Love that tail. I bet all these doublings come from a specific die that had a defect--- different from the master die. Back in those days, dies lasted about 30,000 copies. Divide that by a total mintage of 750,000 gives 4% of the population. That coincides roughly with my sample estimate of 2.7%. It also gives credence to Ron Turners Article.
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Umm.. where would I find Ron Turner's article of 2009?
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