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Pillar of the Community
United States
721 Posts |
This had been left in a paper envelope for over 20 years in an old garage safe. Has some problems on the reverse. What do you think it would grade? Thanks for looking.   |
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Valued Member
United States
112 Posts |
Love this coin no matter the grade! I'll test my amature eye and guess XF-40.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Nearly makes an MS grade, but not quite.
I think I can see the tiniest amount of wear on the high points of headband of the head dress (obv.,) and the bullock's rump (rev.), but
could just be a lightening of the toning at these points or even
a slight flaring of the light.
The chlorine from the paper has affected the toning, and that is a pity.
Perhaps there has been a tiny amount of condensation at various times over the last 20 years, and that has given rise to those dark spots (in association with the chlorine), that are seen on the reverse.
Can't be removed, unfortunately, because that would also remove the residual underlying lustre.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
899 Posts |
I like the coin... this is one of my avorite coins.
It almost looks like it was cleaned a long time ago? It kind of looks washed out to me... but it could just be the picture as well.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The thing about this grungy toning is it hides so much. It looks like an AU50 just from the photos provided, but I have to think there's a 62-63 hiding under there. Pretty design, no matter how much schmutz is on there.
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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This one is tricky, at least for me!
Is the actual coin the same color as it appears in your images?
Does the coin show luster? Is it strong and unbroken across each side of the coin?
I don't see significant wear on the coin, but the color/lighting makes it difficult for me to draw any definitive conclusions.
From the images, it's hard for me to determine if the spots on the coin (especially its reverse) are significant enough to be classified as environmental damage by grading services such as PCGS or NGC.
If the colors shown aren't accurate, please post some new images under different lighting.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
721 Posts |
commems - I think there is some luster there. It is fairly even, but hidden. The color you see is pretty accurate. I could try to take a flash photo, but I always think those don't give true color to me. I'll try and post them later. I tend to agree with kookoox10 - it looks like it should me an MS hiding under there somewhere.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
721 Posts |
Here are the flash pictures. Must say, in hand they look more like these.   |
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
United States
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The coin appears much more "natural" in these images vs. the original set. Thanks for providing the update.
My eyes now see an AU coin. I don't see any major dings or scratches, but I do see wear on multiple high points on each side of the coin (e.g., the face, chest and arms of the Native American on the obverse). I also see a coin that I would classify as one with a weaker strike. For example, the hand holding the bow does not have distinct features. I believe part of this is wear, but it also partly the result of a weaker strike.
I can't tell to what degree the spots on the coin have etched into its surface. These may be problematic if the coin were to be submitted for third-party grading.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
899 Posts |
I agree the picture is much better. I never thought about a weaker strike - that might explain why it kind of looked cleaned a long time ago (to me), when I first looked at it. It is still a nice coin even with the spotting.
I always wonder why the right thigh on some of these look like he should have an arrow in it or something - some it shows more pronouncedly than others... like an old wound.
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Moderator
United States
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Apologize for the late reply ... too much work.
This coin is interesting in that it exhibits limited circulation wear (to my eye) ... but alas corrosion damage from the storage.
I am going AU-details.
Great coin however it is graded ... and thrilled that you are posting here with us.
David
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New Member
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
AU55 to 58: TLAR = That Looks About Right. (+ comments (spots)).
Ward Bond, I suspect, may have been very happy with this design!
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Valued Member
Australia
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Would like to get me one of these in the near future, I have a few of the lower priced commemorative coins but this one I want next.I,m not 100% on grading yet but I agree with most on AU.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1795 Posts |
I personally love the coin. I would say AU50 or 55 would be my guess. I just got mine yesterday ...an MS64 CAC. Be proud you really have a nice coin there.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
This coin is a good case to explain why coins should not be stored in bleached paper envelopes.
Fortunately numismatics has moved on since paper envelopes.
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