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Just got my submission back, had this one come back details. "Obverse Wheel Mark" Really? I find a couple of hits on the lower neck. Do those look like wheel marks?  Here is a close up.  Edited by Jon K
05/06/2013 11:15 pm
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Wheel marks can be hard to spot sometimes unless the light hits it just right and then it becomes clear as day. Without being able to tilt the coin around, it is kinda tough to spot where it is. There is an area right behind the eye, on the edge of the hair and running from the forehead to just left and above the ear that might be the wheel mark. Try shining a light in the same direction as the arrow and at a lower angle like 45 degrees instead of having the light directly above the coin. If that is the wheel mark, it will look like a dense patch of hairlines. The marks on the bottom of the neck should not details it.  Edited by D0ubl3Eagle
05/07/2013 12:12 am
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Thank you for the reply, Double Eagle.
I can see in the pic the marks that you reference behind the eye, but with halogen light and 10-X glasses, I can not see them in hand. At all. They are that light.
The camera catches them, and I jacked around with the contrast to get any marks to jump out in the pic.
In hand, the marks on the neck are very minimal as well, though they are easily seen under 10X.
The original photo is 10mb. Changing from RAW to a jpeg knocks it down to 1mb. I have the original RAW photo if anyone wants it. It can be viewed in Picasa.
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Edited by Jon K
05/07/2013 08:53 am
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I emailed NGC, sent a link to the photo and asked if the grader might mark it up for me.
Got a reply right away, the grader declined to mark up the photo, but said this:
"On this coin, the wheel mark is on Washington's forehead and front portion of his hair, continuing down behind his eye through the temple. It moves in a direction from 11:00 to 5:00. To see this, use a single point light source, like a desk lamp, in an otherwise dark room. The coin should be rotated until the wheel mark jumps out, becoming very clear."
I just spent 30 minutes turning, tilting and twisting the coin under my halogen desk lamp, all other lights off and using 10X eyewear. Looking exactly where the grader indicated, and then widening my focus a bit.
Nothing.
Not a mark on it.
What the heck?
Edited . . . . . delete silly remark here . . .
Double Eagle, the grader is saying to look exactly where you have the photo marked up . . . . that can't be coincidence . . . . .
Arrgh!! I can't see it!
Edited by Jon K
05/10/2013 09:47 am
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Went back after posting this and intensely studied the area that Double3eagle pointed out, as there does appear to be something going on in the photo.
Nothing. If anything is there, I can't see it.
This is frustrating (to say the least), trying to see some invisible flaw that put my coin into a details holder.
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I do see a problematic series of hairlines running at a 11-5 o'clock angle in the area identified. It really stands out in the photo. Coin has some great luster. I bet it's sick in hand.
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I do see a problematic series of hairlines running at a 11-5 o'clock angle in the area identified. It really stands out in the photo. Coin has some great luster. I bet it's sick in hand.
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I got it. I had to widen my focus a bit.
The disturbed area is wider than I had my eye "set" for. Not so much hairlines ,though hairlines (or something) are evident in the photo. Not evident in hand. At all. The camera is picking up something that I cannot see to save me.
What I am picking up by widening my focus is an area of . . . . . I should say "disturbed" luster. Not really brighter or duller, but somehow different.
I suppose a rubber wheel could do something like that.
Well rats.
Jesse, that is some of my frustration. This piece is drop dead gorgeous. Not sure how it would grade, I thought a solid 65, maybe 66 on a good day. Not overdipped, it has a nice correct patina.
Aside from the invisible (nearly) wheel mark!
I wonder what my chances would be if I resubmitted . . . . heck, there is not much to lose other than the fees.
Edited by Jon K
05/10/2013 10:50 pm
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Some time back, I bought what appeared to be nice looking Franklin half dollar only to find out once I got back that it had a wheel mark. If you would like, I can attempt to get a picture of it but I can't guarantee I will be able to get a clear picture of it. Maybe that will give some idea of what to look for. |
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OK, so I did not agree with the NGC grading and sent it in to PCGS. Got it back today. No wheel mark!! Yay!! Cleaned. Really? With that skin on it I never once even considered that it was cleaned! D0ubl3Eagle has a good pic above (I must have taken mine down). Anybody see anything that suggests cleaning? So now I am about $50 into a $40.00 coin. "Me Idiot" Anybody have a no problem '49 Washie for sale?   |
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With such difference in opinion from different grading services, it makes one would why they're held in such esteem. If grading is not uniform and consistence, the true utility has to be in question. If I'm following this, one grading service marks it cleaned (without any evidence at least to you) and another marks it with wheel marks (without evidence to you). Neither notes the other's finding. It must be frustrating and costly.
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PCGS saw the marks on the side of Washignton's face noting it as a rub from cleaning.
Grading is always subjective and 5 people can look at something and come up with a different opinion.
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Although we all have different perspectives and tendencies as a result of our own experiences, the grading services should be uniform to provide for what one is paying - a consistent, accurate, non-subjective grading. For us as individuals, some are inconsistent with highs and lows, some are consistently high, others consistently low, others grading slanted by a particular perspective. We hate for professional grading to have that kind of attributes.
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