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Love People's Thoughts On This Year 2000 20c

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 Posted 05/10/2013  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi enworb that appears logical and I could accept that. The damage on the reverse appears to be showing through from the obverse though.
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 Posted 05/10/2013  6:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It almost looks like the coin was pressed from a "slag metal" planchet. I would have thought the IRB would have suffered more if it was PMD.

Can't wait for you to get it.
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 Posted 05/10/2013  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
above the T in Australia on the rim is that a cub leading down to a die crack and most of the damage don't lead out onto the rim
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 Posted 05/10/2013  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add enworb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I assume you mean a Cud shane?

If thats the case then I cant see one near the T in Australian and I cant see a die crack, just a black line from a stain.
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 Posted 05/10/2013  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Darge, I'm really hoping for your sake that it is legit. It's probably to oddest looking coin I've seen in quite a while. I remember when I was a kid and used to cast things from lead and the horrid patterns that could result from slag. I'd love this to be the case in this instance, though it could have just had a good go over with an oxy.

Just remember to take 1,000,001 pics of it when you get it and put them up here eh!
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 Posted 05/10/2013  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The damage on the reverse appears to be showing through from the obverse though.
The only damage I can see on the Rev is on the edges of the water swirl right of the 0, and that's just where the coin has taken a hit IMO. Still all PMD, I reckon.

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 Posted 05/10/2013  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much the unicorn, it would be nice if it is a genuine error but I am very prepared for it not to be. I'll certainly post lots of pics if it is. Don't know what IRB is.
nancyc I felt there was damage showing through on the top of the platypus's head, could be easily wrong though, I'm quite accomplished at it. Seller mentions damage on both faces.
What are your thoughts on the flattened rim on the left side and rim damage at the bottom?
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 Posted 05/10/2013  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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What are your thoughts on the flattened rim on the left side and rim damage at the bottom?
Sorry, I don't see anything that indicates damage to the rims. It may be a tiny bit off centre, but it's so marginal it would not add any premium. I see a few small marks on the P'pus head, impact from another coin probably.
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 Posted 05/11/2013  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wasn't considering it adding value nancyc, I actually don't care what value it has. I will just like it or I won't. It will just go in the fakes collection or the keepers collection, not much concerned either way.
I just wanted to know if the slightly wider, slightly flatter and slightly damaged at the bottom rim offered any more clues to either PMD or whatever.
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 Posted 05/11/2013  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day Darge, IRB are the designer's initials under the Queen's head.
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 Posted 05/11/2013  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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, though it could have just had a good go over with an oxy.


My money is on this theory after blowing it up & studying the pic.

Can't wait to find out for sure though.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got the coin and not much wiser.

It is interesting to say the least. If it's not PMD then it is possibly as the unicorn suggested, a planchet punched from a sheet with an area of slag. Haven't got a clue if this is possible or not, although it is theoretically possible. imo.

There are quite deep troughs and low plateaus in the fields and under the legends, with the legends formed perfectly on the bottom of troughs and at the normal relief, same with parts of the effigy. (There are no areas raised beyond the normal relief)
There appears to be some molten metal thus evidence of heat causing a silvery appearing metal to run and form similar streaks to the 'carbon' (sulphur) streaking of the coins enworb and I posted elsewhere. These are within the planchet though, not streaks on top.

If it is PMD then it is a mix of a couple or a few different processes, because no one process could satisfy all of the evidence. Which makes very little sense, because with 20% less damage I would have paid twice what I paid. With 50% less I might have been prepared to add a zero.

So if it is man made damage it is the work of an idiot. Which doesn't exclude the possibility of course.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  05:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ugly, ugly picture. LOL
Have to consider I could have been set up here ... the shape on the face, could be considered risqué, perhaps.
I don't think so ... but someone would have suggested it, I have no doubt.


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 Posted 05/17/2013  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If my previous posting was offensive I will remove it. Have to admit it would surprise me in this current era, but if I don't hear otherwise I will remove it 2 hours from now and apologize.
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 Posted 05/17/2013  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add appleangel07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, thats funny !

& after seeing your pic Darge I'm going back to my original answer, some sort of acid !
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