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1652 Pine Tree Shilling? | Cast Replica

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Hi there

Just after some help, I found this coin recently and not sure to its value or even if it real? would really appreciate some advice thanks

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 Posted 05/12/2013  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF!

There are many counterfeits of this coin. Pictures of the obverse and reverse will be necessary for anyone here to help.
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how do I get pics on here thanks for the reply/
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Here is a pics tutorial...

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...g_images.asp

When you get pics up a moderator will likely move post to the the identifications forum for a wider audience..
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BTW, here is some great info about Massachusetts silvers.... http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...r.intro.html
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here we go thanks for the link I will get 1 of the other side shortly

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 Posted 05/12/2013  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add craigysan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

here is the other side
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 Posted 05/12/2013  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sadly, yours does not match the Noe1 on which it is based. Just for fun what is its weight?
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 Posted 05/12/2013  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add craigysan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
oh well worth a try, I presume its not worth anything then? its about 5.5 grams although my scales aren't too acurate
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That is a bit overweight. I assume the coin is a tad thick? A cast copy perhaps?
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Welcome, sadly your coin is not a real one, most likely made by casting. My forray into coin collecting came about a similar way with a 1913 Liberty nickel, (fake) and a trip to the ANA to see what we might have, found out it was fake, but sure kick started my interest in collecting and learning how a simple old coin could be worth so much money.
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thanks for all the help, I have always been interested in old coins, never took it too serious though but this one has got me. What is that stands out to be a copy? what are the signs that give it away? is there any value in a copy/ thanks again in advance
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What is that stands out to be a copy? what are the signs that give it away?

There are several things already mentioned, such as the extra thickness and being overweight. 350 year old coins might be considerably underweight, if they've been clipped, but never overweight, certainly not by more than a gram.

There are also some characteristic flaws on the coin that stand it out. First off, it's round and even, with no irregularities or flaws - a "perfect coin". Again, not something often seen on 350 year old hand-struck coins. Compare the examples of this same type on this reference page to see that such coins typically look like. A perfectly-formed, unworn, undamaged pine tree shilling would be an extremely rare and valuable thing. If it looks too good to be true, it very often isn't.

Second, see the pitting above and below the "XII"? Those look like typical casting bubbles - small bubbles of air that got trapped in the mould when the casting was made. While such pitting can occur naturally on old bronze coins (caused by corrosion), it's not something you'd normally see on genuine silvers.

Third, some of the details are "wrong" - presumably, the coin which this was copied from had those details missing (just as many of the details are missing from the genuine coins in the above links) and the replica-maker, in an effort to produce a "perfect coin", recreated the detail as best as they could, but could not match the style. The serif above the vertical stroke in the letter "G" is missing, for example.
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is there any value in a copy

Not generally, no. Maybe a few dollars.
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