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Hello All. I'm puzzled by what I found in my grandfather's attic after he had passed away several years ago. A small cloth bag that had two 1860's Two Cent Pieces, an 1880's Indian Head penny, two Half Dimes, AND the images as attached => an 1816 Large Cent. My first guess is that this 1816 Large Cent was plated with something, either silver or nickel. But I'm not really sure. I'd like to know if anybody has seen other examples if this kind of "non copper" large cent. All large cents are stated to have been copper, and weigh 10.89 grams. This penny I have weighs 11.388grams and is 28mm in diameter. A little heavier then what the stated weight should be, but the diameter is right on. I'd assume if this coin were plated, the diameter would be 29mm or larger. My grandfather wasn't a coin collector but certainly had some items stuffed away which included some old German coins of the same mid 1800's era. Thanks for any input on this topic. As for the other coins in the bag, their conditions are very worn, no better then "good" if I were to grade them. Image: 1816-front.jpg88.99 KB Image: 1816-back.jpg93.17 KB
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 United States
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Update: After checking the 1816-back.jpg image that I uploaded, it almost appears in the "O" of One Cent there is some wear suggesting a copper color showing through. I just took a real close look at the coin and what came through in the image is a shadow caused from the light of my scanner. In fact, in real life holding this coin in your hand, there is more detail then what came through in those images, especially on the back image. I assume it's glare from the lights of my scanner that in some cases caused a shadow but in other areas, bleaded the image together. The word America on the coin is much crisper then as shown on the posted image.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Hi Mike and welcome to the forum! Plenty of friendly folks here with lotsa expertise and willingness to share.
...But I'm not an expert in early 1800s large cents. However, it appears this cent is struck slightly off center, not uncommon for the period but it adds to the question mark presented with the excessive weight. I don't think plating alone would add almost half a gram (0.498g) but I could be wrong - no basis for comparison. Plated tokens were common back then (I've got a couple but they are of no help here) and it wouldn't surprise me that coins were also plated for presentation or as sort of love tokens, but I think there may be something else going on with this coin. Most plated tokens I've seen of the period show flaking of the plating (usually nickel), but I don't see that here. I'd love to see it in hand for an up close and personal look but that's not realistic. I will be interested in other responses to see if others have seen similar coins.
BTW, weighing your coin to the 1/1000th of a gram helps immeasurably! What are you using for a scale?
Fred
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Valued Member
 United States
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Fred, I weighted the coin by going to the post office and while mailing a letter, just afterwards I asked the nice postal lady if I could drop this coin on the scale. Those scales weigh to the hundredth of an ounce (that's less then a sheet of paper). Take that number you get and go do a google search on gram calculators, find an online one, enter your weight in ounces and hit convert to grams. Presto, you get your number. The postal meters are remarkably accurate and as mentioned, can easily differentiate the added weight of a simple sheet of paper, measured to the hundredth of an ounce. In fact, I blew on the meter and I watched the weight numbers flicker.
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My guess is, you're looking at a late 18th-century school electroplating science project. The difference in weight, less than half a gram, is insufficient material to affect the diameter of the coin - indeed, details would wash out before the diameter would change appreciably. In the 1880's, for instance, such an old coin wouldn't have been seen as having numismatic value, and was therefore an ideal candidate for a science teacher's show-and-tell.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Mike, the forum has a lot of topics on scales for weighing coins. One archived topic is http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=10614 . Postal scales sold to home users are not usually accurate enough for coin collectors. It's unusual that a USPS clerk or Postmaster will weigh a coin, but coin collectors who need to do it several times a day might find it a little inconvenient to drop down to the local PO to weigh coins. I didn't know you were using PO scales which, even to the 1/100th of an ounce are not accurate enough for coin purposes. If you get serious enough about coins, a precision scale is essential. They can be purchased on ebay or other online vendors for minimal amounts ($20 to $50 should be adequate, but one may want to spend more, depending upon type [digital or mechanical, e.g., beam balance], durability, and anticipated amount of use. In any instance, a scale with an accuracy of 1/100th of a grain or 1/1000th of a gram is critical for coins to detect fakes, measure wear, and determine alterations (e.g., over-weight might indicate lacquer, counterfeiting, or in your instance, plating; underweight might indicate mere wear or forgery). I use an older mechanical and calibratable RCBS 5-10 balance beam powder scale (I'm also a cartridge reloader, am off the power grid, and am fed up with battery devices); powder scales need to be highly accurate due to the inherent danger in cartridge reloading. Such scales can weigh postage stamps or parts thereof. Fred
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