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A question on my spiked chin variety 1/2 cent. From other posts, a die crack/break on the obverse above the LIBE in Liberty is diagnostic. This coin does not show a die break, so I would assume that it is in an early die state. However, the reverse die looks like it is falling apart, with several die breaks that I do not see in other photos of the spiked chin variety of the 1804 1/2 cent. This would seem to indicate an old die state. Was more than one reverse die used with the spiked chin obverse? Any thoughts on grade? Thank You.   |
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I'm like it a lot, I'm pretty new to researching Half Cents, but with my new Manley book out I think this is a Cohen 6 - Die State 9.0 My reasoning is due to the triangle Cud forming above the first A in America to make Die State 9.5 the Cud would have to touch the I in United, it's close but the I is definitely free from contact with the advancing Cud. I hope some Half Cent experts can verify or correct me on the Cohen number and die state. This is a tougher variety from what I gather. Very rare in anything above VF grades. This coin is very, very close to VF grade. VF20 but older copper can be tough, I do know that on higher end pieces MS64 and up a CAC sticker on a TPG coin can add $1,000 or more easy. Great coin - and eagerly awaiting to hear from those with knowledge in the series. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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I guess it might just make VF20. or stay at F.
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 ...with what westcoin said. I think it would grade around F12. Very neat and desirable with those great Cuds! |
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Thanks Liz that's only my second one at trying to attribute.
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Thanks for the attribution!
So, is it correct that more than one reverse die is associated with the spiked chin obverse?
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I'm going with F12 details grade. I think the rim hits on both sides at 12 o'clock are distracting enough. really interesting Cuds. the rev die must have been really broke up at this point. |
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Yes, Susuman, there are several reverse dies paired with the spiked chin obverse. As far as the rim hits go, I can't predict what a TPG would say at this grade. They'd definitely be in play at high grades, but for this rare and desirable die state at this modest grade, they might be overlooked (or net graded). I'm not an EAC grader, but this is exactly the kind of coin where EAC grading shows its merits. |
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So, is it correct that more than one reverse die is associated with the spiked chin obverse? As ProfLiz said yes, use Cohen's book "Little Half Sisters" 2nd (and last) edition, for attributions. Dr. Stephen Manley wrote a book on each die state, and is the most advanced book with really high quality photos, he not only lists each Cohen numbered example, but sub categorizes them into die states, essentially how old the die state was when each piece was struck. The Manley " Half Cent die states" book is getting really hard to find, There is a copy on ebay now, BIN at $199.00 I paid more for my copy, as only around 100 copies were made and the original price was $99.00 they sold out quickly to EAC members. Still one of the best reference manuals I've ever seen on any series of coin. http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Half-Ce...261217059928P.S. Great photos by the way, makes the attribution as easy as if I had the coin in hand, easier even since the photos are larger than the coin! "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
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Profliz and Westcoin, thanks for the additional information and the reference to the Cohen book. I clearly need to acquire some more targeted reference books. This is going to be an undertaking in itself as my collection pretty much covers the entire range of US coinage. The collection I now have is my portion of an inheritance. I have spent the last 6 months going through thousands of coins in little 2x2 manila envelopes just to get an inventory. I have been somewhat overwhelmed with it all. Of course, most of it is filler coins, but some of it is not. The collection was put in storage in 1963 when the original owner passed away. So, everything is older, and there is a guarantee of no modern fakes. There could be some older fakes, but I have not found anything suspicious yet. |
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f-15 imo I always liked this variety
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The photos are actually scans at 600dpi. The scanner seems to get the detail pretty good, but does not capture luster very well.
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