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1795 Flowing Hair Dollar

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 Posted 05/26/2013  10:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
If I had the money I might have bid on this.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1795-FLOWIN...em460fa88e6d

Seller has 100% Feedback and he wrote a nice description
of his motivation for selling.

Opinions sought, please.

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 Posted 05/26/2013  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Drsandman2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a great coin.
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 Posted 05/26/2013  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FadeToBlack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin.
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 Posted 05/26/2013  11:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two others that did NOT sell today:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1795-Flowin...p=true&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1795-FLOWIN...p=true&rt=nc

I still like the unslabbed one.

Something about it appeals to my aesthetic.
Love at first sight.

TALK ME OUT OF IT!



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 Posted 05/27/2013  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a very tempting coin. I do not know the series, is this definitely the real deal?

Very very tempted...

Edited to add: I checked out PCGS Coin Facts to see how they graded various coins. WOW, all over the map! Really. Especially when you get down below the EF45 range. Some have incredible hair detail, some very worn, same grade. I've not seen such apparent wide discrepancies before. I hope there are many other factors not immediately observable (to me) which went into the grading, but wow.

http://www.pcgscoinfacts.com/CoinIm....aspx?s=6853

After looking through the PCGS graded pictures and past sales on Heritage, I think this coin is likely to grade VG8-10, not Fine as the seller thinks. Still a pretty good deal if it goes for the entry bid, based on actual sales prices over the last few years (not book value).

Lastly, what is the more specific variety type? I understand the 2 leaves vs 3 leaves, but what about other specifics? Any specialists out there care to assess? I don't have the books or references.
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05/27/2013 04:55 am
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Anyone else having trouble assigning a variety to this? Seems to be the obverse used on BB-21 B-1, BB-22 B-10, and BB-23 B-16, but none of those two-leaf reverses fit. BB-21 B-1 comes close, but there looks like there's a berry missing on the right side of the wreath!
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 Posted 05/27/2013  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OneBowl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The simplicity of the design makes this my all time favorite US coin. Unfortunately, it's one I'll never own. If it's authentic and that's a fairly valued starting price, then sorry, there's no way I could say anything bad about it.
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 Posted 05/27/2013  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
See what I mean? Can you spot the missing berry? First pic is the ebay coin, the second is BB-21 B-1.

1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar

1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar
One of these things is not like the other!
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 Posted 05/27/2013  10:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're talking about between the tail feathers and the second "A" in AMERICA,I see 1 on the first image and 2 on the second.
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 Posted 05/27/2013  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ThisIsFun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does it fit this one? *** removed link text ***
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Look at the letters relative to the leaves, ThisIsFun:

1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar

1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar
Way off.
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Hmm. I was just about to post that I did an overlay of the obverses and it matched perfectly... guess I should've looked at the reverses too!

What do you make of this, philadelphian? Counterfeit?
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 Posted 05/27/2013  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Rayman311 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Might be the lighting angle but I don't see the loop at the neck truncation. Should be present on "Head of 1795". Could be shadow? Reverse appears to match BB-21 less the missing berry.

Head of 1795:
1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar

Head of 1794:
1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar

Seller:
1795-Flowing-Hair-Dollar
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 Posted 05/27/2013  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stringboogie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm very suspicious of raw early dollars these days but this one looks perfectly real to me.only questionable thing I see is the denticles above the I and R in AMERICA on the reverse
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I was wondering about the neck truncation myself.
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He says he is selling off his stuff.Has "hundreds of gold coins"Checked out his site and found one?
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