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 Posted 05/27/2013  2:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi,
i am new to collecting coins, and came across a very unusual piece, it looks hammered, although it could be a fake. just need abit of advice on what it is and how I could find out if it is a genuine hammered coin, from my research I think it is from the viking era. it is in nearly excellent condition, please have a look at the photos, it is about the size of a penny
thanks

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05/27/2013 7:41 pm
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 Posted 05/27/2013  3:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
anyone know how to find out if it is a reproduction
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 Posted 05/27/2013  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome!
Obverse is of a "St. Peter's penny," which were produced in York in the 9th and 10th centuries. The legend reads SCI PETRI MO. The reverse will usually have some spelling variation of CIVITAS EBORACI, or "City of York," but I can't quite make out this one. Highly copied in recent years; probably the easiest way to confirm it is a reproduction is to find an image of an identical example.
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05/27/2013 4:16 pm
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 Posted 05/27/2013  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hi thanks for the reply, I have looked all over the internet and cannot find any image of the same coin, however there are similar oneS that have the SCI PETRI MO written on one side, however this one has different markings to that one. also because it is in such good condition is it possible that it is from a hoard?
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 Posted 05/27/2013  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
update: it is not an ashmore copy
any help guys
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 Posted 05/27/2013  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"St Peter pennies" feature the sword of St Peter and the Hammer of Thor, typically one on one side and one on the other. This coin has the sword, but the symbol on the reverse is... something else. Perhaps a crude rendering of an eye? It's not something I've ever seen before.

What I suspect you have is a modern replica/restrike. I know the Jorvik Centre in York makes similar pieces, using dies copied from discarded dies found on-site. Their copies usually look like this, with a design taken from a Saxon coin on the other side.

The sword-side of your coin looks cruder than genuine examples; I've never seen a St Peters Penny with triangles rather than dots or crosses above and below the inscription, for example. I suspect the dies for this were hand-made, rather than copied off genuine dies like for the Jorvik coin. Renaissance fairs often have demonstrations of mediaeval coinage production; I suspect your coin is from such a fair.
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 Posted 05/27/2013  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thank you for your reply, the reverse symbol is abit hard to make out in the picture as I had to use a scanner to get the pictures, in the pictures the writing looks indented, whereas it should be raised, I will try to take some better pictures for tomorrow of the reverse
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 Posted 05/27/2013  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ive uploaded another picture, this is what the picture looks like on the back to the naked eye, I did the best I could on paint lol
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 Posted 05/27/2013  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the object in the middle of the structure looks like a star, the three dots look like fruit? and the circle ish object next the the three fruit? looks like a mechanical gear, or maybe the sun with a hole in the middle of it, hope that helps
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 Posted 05/28/2013  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Jorvik centre is actually quite interesting to wander around though it's not that big. York in general though is fascinating. It's my favorite English destination and when visiting there for work related purposes I always try and find time to visit the Black Swan ... I mean historical places of interest. There is also a coin shop right in the centre - but it's been a couple of years since I've been there - mostly English material.

I too think this is a reproduction by the way.
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 Posted 05/28/2013  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add buddd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the help guys, yep its a reproduction from some viking fair, but not a jorvik one
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