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I did some cleaning on coin F1 from my first dirties purchase. Not really an improvement but hey, I'm new at this. Anyway, I'm trying to attribute it. I've looked at the catbikes spreadsheet for large M Byzantine coins and can't seem to match it to one. I think it's a Justin I or Justinian I based on the obverse legend, which seems to be "DNIVST..." Constantinople mint. The thing causing me the most consternation is the P (rho?) below the M. I don't see that as an option on the catbikes spreadsheet. Could it be a B with a damaged lower loop?  |
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My guess would be a "B" with a damaged bottom loop. The coin is almost certainly Justinian I. I believe these are undated. I am almost sure it is CAR or Carthage mint.
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It actually might be Constantinople mint . I am not sure if at this time Carthage was abbreviated KAR. If thats the case then it is probably Constantinople.
Justinian I. AE follis. 527-565 AD, Constantinople. DN IVSTINIANVS PP AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right / Large M. star to left, cross above, cross right, officina letter below, mintmark CON. SB 158, DOC 28.
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There are some Carthage Justinian I coins with the mint abbreviation CAR but they have ANNO in the left field instead of a star, if the catbikes spreadsheet is accurate and complete.
Anoob-- what diagnostics show this is a Justinian instead of Justin? Is it the overall style or portrait or is there some other indicator?
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What makes me think it is Justinian and not Justin is the Star in the reverse left field. I am not an expert in these coins but from what I have seen, Justin has a cross in the left reverse field not a star. I don't know if this is true across the board but I am pretty sure that it is true for Constantinople mint.
Echizento might know more, here he is the "go to" guy.
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I also think that Justin has a rounder jaw, where Justinian is more square. Again I am not sure if thats true across the board.
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Admittedly looking it up....
Your coin looks alot like SB62....*Cough* Justin
Justin I, AE follis, 518-527 AD. Constantinople. DN IVSTINVS PP AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right / Large M, star left, cross above, star right, officina letter below, mintmark CON. SB 62, DOC 8.
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Based on common vs less common alone, Justinian I seems far more likely. The catbikes spreadsheet does show some Justin I coins with a star in the left field (and all other discernable features could fit with Justin I as well). Without the rest of the legend it may be impossible to tell unless the portrait style is definitive. I look forward to echizento's opinion on this.
Comparing the before cleaning with after cleaning, I'm not sure I did this coin a service by cleaning it. Perhaps it made the few remaining letters of the legend more clear, but I removed a lot of patina. I rather like that look but from what I can tell from reading this forum, perhaps polishing the patina off the high points is not particularly desirable?
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Guess I was typing my last entry while you were posting yours  |
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I'm leaning towards SB 158, Justinian (Constantinople, B), Star-M-Cross, cross above. I think I can see a trace of the cross above the M.
If it was Justin the obverse legend would be placed differently to account for the length difference between IVSTINVS and IVSTINIANVS.
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I believe it's Justin I from the Antioch mint Sear #101
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Ski- do you still think its Antioch. With a clear "c" in the mint area? I am not disagreeing with you, just curious.
Edited by Ancientnoob
06/03/2013 4:09 pm
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Good point Nate, looking at the coin again I see what you are saying and believe you are correct. That would make the coin Sear #62 from the Constantinople mint. I saw the first letter not as a C but line over C which is used for the Antioch mint.
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Could it really be a P instead of a damaged B? Did Byzantine coin officinas ever use P for Prima like some earlier Roman mints did? I haven't seen any other pictures of a P for the officina in these Byzantine coins but could it be possible?
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No the Byzantines didn't used that system. They used the Greek system, A, B, symbol for gamma, delta, etc...
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Antioch for Justin I would be ANT or ANTX, the line looks like the separator for the exergue with a clear C below.
Also no B officinal noted in Sear for Antioch folles of Justin I.
I still think Justinian, Constantinople, SBCV 158 B
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