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2010 Loonie - Bubble - Peeling Metal - Is It Worth Any?

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 Posted 06/07/2013  5:45 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Paisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this in circulation. The bubble was clearly visible with naked eye so I paid a bit closer attention. Then the edge started to bite into the skin because there were sharp areas. Upon closer examination it was showing a fine layer of metal peeling from the surface at the rim.

Is this worth anything? Would this be considered a planchet flaw? Any technical name for the error/s?

Thank you

2010-Loonie---Bubble---Peeling-Metal---Is-It-Worth-Any?

2010-Loonie---Bubble---Peeling-Metal---Is-It-Worth-Any?

2010-Loonie---Bubble---Peeling-Metal---Is-It-Worth-Any?
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 Posted 06/08/2013  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found this excellent website on error coins called:

http://error-ref.com

If I go by the information in that website the errors on this loonie are:

Planchet: Alloy: Gas Bubbles: Occluded with at thick roof(since this is not a plated loonie)

Planchet: Alloy: Lamination: Retained Lamination

Planchet: Alloy: Lamination: Loss after Strike?

This website seems very thorough. Any opinions or comments would be appreciated.


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 Posted 06/20/2013  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a chance to run this coin by Mike Diamond who is one of the persons running the http://error-ref.com website.

Mike pointed out something that I should know but never took into account. Our loonies are not alloys but plated coins. I am surprised that no one in this forum picked it up (or perhaps members left it for me to discover )

Somehow I only attributed plating to coins after 2000 or so and that too everything other than loonies and toonies. The loonies and toonies were touted to be plated from 2012 onwards.

Is it just me or did others erroneously believe that loonie was a complete alloy?

Even the main Canadian Catalog of coins identifies it as nickel/bronze without ever (my highlight) mentioning that these are bronze plated. It lists it as Composition: 91.5% nickel, 8.5% bronze the same way it lists the silver coins as Composition: 0.8 silver, 0.2 copper.

The RCM website correctly identifies the composition of the loonies as Composition: 91.5% nickel, 8.5% bronze plating (my highlightint) and IMHO the catalog should correctly identify the composition as done by RCM.

So what does that all mean to the loonie error.


Planchet: Plating Errors: Plating Blister - Circular

and

Plancet: Plating Error: Cracked, split, peeling plating

I discussed with Mike the possibility that it may be a heat blister and in his opinion the blister appeared too small to be a heat blister. The possibility of the bubble being a die dent was explored and Mike identified a method to test the bubble that would help answer that question. It was rather interesting to touch the bubble with a tooth pick. It seemed like I was chasing the air in the bubble. I wish I could make a video of that I think it my trend.

The possibility of peeling happening post mint was discussed and I left with an understanding that the underlying issue of debonding of plating was a mint related issue. Some of the delamination could occur in circulation.

The interesting thing in all this for me is that the coin has such sharp edge that it easily catches the threads of cloth and can also hurt the skin. Luckily this is probably a rare situation but the possibility if it occurs more frequently in plated coins could really be an issue in design. I would love to see the opinion of RCM on this one.
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I could see where many new collectors could be misled.Charlton's makes no mention of the fact that the coin is plated.
Perhaps you should bring this to the attention of the publisher, http://www.charltonpress.com/ContactUs.asp
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Some other examples:

See post by Zonad: https://goccf.com/t/76634&whichpage=10

See post by Scissel: https://goccf.com/t/128971&whichpage=11
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Quote:
Perhaps you should bring this to the attention of the publisher


That's a great suggestion. I will email them.

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Some other examples:


Thx for pointing to the other examples.

Scissel's looks like the same error although it appears that the peeling of the plating has been exacerbated post mint. I would have expected a colour similar to Scissel's i.e. Nickel in my coin. In my coin the colour is still bronze below the plating. I had raised this aspect with Mike and I gathered that the electroplating process would make it difficult to leave the surface between the two materials in the colour of the nickel. Perhaps one more thing to raise with Mike.

I am tempted to puncture the bubble on my coin and peel it off. I don't know the value of this coin but I had seen one dealer had sold a loonie with a bubble for $10. If that is the vallue I don't mind experimenting. What do you folks think?

With regards to Zonad's coin the thickness and nature of bonding of the top layer puts in doubt if that is indeed an original plating layer. By my estimate the layer of plating would be of the order of 0.075 mm (3/1000th of an inch). Unless of course the blank had been wrongly plated.
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SORT OF LOOKS LIKE ONE OF THEM THERE PYRAMID COINS THEY ARE MAKING! !
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