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1799 Or 1798 Large Cent

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 Posted 06/09/2013  10:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Like many ebay 1799 cents, this one says 99 or 98, you decide. It's pretty close, but I think it's a 1798 S-187. Can anyone tell for sure?

http://cgi.ebay.com/181152935065
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 Posted 06/09/2013  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add new2coins69 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thats a tough one.

looking at the pics I would say 99 but who knows
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 Posted 06/09/2013  10:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since there is HUGE variation in price between 1798 and 1799 I will bet the experts wait until the end of the auction to weigh in (if they know something we don't and want to keep the price down )

Most forums have a rule against posting live auctions for that very reason.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only purpose of such a rule would be to help ensure that a seller who doesn't quite know what they have doesn't quite get the price they deserve. Not sure I like that idea.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EddieDiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a "9" to me.
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 Posted 06/09/2013  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgettings00 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember seeing this a few days ago.
Looks like a 9, but idk
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 Posted 06/09/2013  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ p.

I am seeing an 8 but hard to say for sure.
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 Posted 06/10/2013  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, amida. Not sure I would commit to S-187 (is S-180 possible?), but a lot fewer options for 1799 die varieties; don't think this fits for a 1799.
And excuse me; the other possible purpose for jack jeckel's rule would be to ensure that someone who does know what they have (like a 1798 large cent) could claim the possibility of something more valuable (like a 1799), and get a higher price than they deserve. Perhaps by taking their pictures through the glare of a 2x2...
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 Posted 06/10/2013  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think this seller is meaning to deceive, just hopeful. Not coin a seller. Their response to my email was "so 1798 and 1799 had different reverses?"

I did a photo overlay and both the reverse and obverse matched S-187. That variety has the dropped C on the reverse and date and legend positions very close to 1799 varieties. I can see it passing for 1799 if you don't dig deep.
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 Posted 06/10/2013  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know if it is a S-187, but I would say it is not a 1799.
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 Posted 06/10/2013  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Conder- I was first going by the dropped berry closest to the O in ONE. That is the distinguishing feature of S-187.
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The seller handled this with grace; he acknowledged the evidence that it is a 1798, and notified the bidders. Kudos!
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 Posted 06/10/2013  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add philadelphian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice!
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 Posted 06/10/2013  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, they did the right thing. In this particular case, because they did very explicitly state that they weren't sure, I would have been fine with them leaving it up. They had great pictures and anyone who would pay big money for a common 1798 deserves it. They even emailed all the buyers and posted a note on the listing and still got new bids!
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 Posted 06/10/2013  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add g048406 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1798

Here's my 1799......this is what a real 1799 looks like:

[URL="http://s92.photobucket.com/user/g048406/media/1799centPCGS-GDtole_zps8aeb5fe7.jpg.html]1799-Or-1798-Large-Cent[/URL]
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06/10/2013 7:30 pm
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 Posted 06/10/2013  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like it's the 1798 date to me.
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