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Guy From US Mint Claimed No More Stockpile Of Halves, But

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 Posted 06/11/2013  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess the question would be does that then mean it would have to be a commemorative or could they do an actual dollar coin since they are nifc now?
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 Posted 06/11/2013  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not matter. Congress could pass legislation tomorrow to authorize or change any US coin, whether circulating, NIFC, or commemorative.

Even if they wanted to call it a commemorative, I doubt it would matter to the collector as long as it follows the design used in rest of the series (same reverse and legends).
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I doubt - seriously doubt a coin would be issued with a living person. Once they start that they lose all semblance of balance and will start issuing coins to celebrate other living people. I suspect they stopped at Nixon because he was the last of the deceased presidents - and to date no living person has been on any of the coins made at the mint. If Carter dies they'll revisit the series and add his image to a coin - but once the series reaches the end - I doubt we will see anymore - unless they do issue a Reagan on a special rider.
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 Posted 06/11/2013  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the ATB designs would look 10 times better on a half dollar sized planchet.
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Yeah, ALL of these quarter programs and dollar programs would have looked better on larger planchets, such as a "State Halves" program instead of " State Quarters" and the Presidential dollar Coin series could have been put on an Eisenhower Dollar-sized planchet, BUT those dollar pieces should have still been a brass, to look like gold, and more valuable than a "silver dollar" not to mention I've had cashiers confuse Ikes with halves, and an Ike-sized golden planchet would look awesome for both Prez and Sac bux. Then as for saying "The State Halves would not circulate", I have already explained the solution for that: Mint less quarters, and more halves, and print less $1 bills, and print more $2 bills, and mint more dollar coins, and ship only a certain amount of each denomination to local banks nationwide, and I gurrentee that all of those denominations would circulate, because the banks would tell people what they had, this is the policy now. Accept it. Bingo! You have circulating $2 bills, circulating State Halves, and circulating Ike-sized but still golden Prez and Sac Bux. Everyone's happy.
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to date no living person has been on any of the coins made at the mint

That is a common misconception but it is incorrect. Alabama's sitting Governor, Thomas Kilby, was featured on the 1921 Alabama Centennial Half Dollar, President Calvin Coolidge was featured on the 1926 US Sesquicentennial Half Dollar, Senate Majority Leader Joseph T. Robinson was featured on the 1936 Arkansas-Robinson Centennial Half Dollar, and Virginia Senator Carter Glass was featured on the 1936 Lynchburg Sesquicentennial Half Dollar. In modern times, the 1995 Special Olympics Commemorative Dollar featured Eunice Kennedy Shriver and despite denials by the US Mint, the 1992 Olympic Baseball Commemorative Dollar featured Nolan Ryan in a pose identical to his 1991 Fleer baseball card.

With that said, I do not think any of those individuals being featured on a commemorative coin would be nearly as controversial as putting Jimma Carter's still-living mug on a Presidential dollar. Of course, both Carter and Bush 41 will be 89 this year so it is quite conceivable that they could die by 2017.
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Ok amended to reflect - regular circulating modern coinage. The coins mentioned are/were commemoratives celebrating events in history. The Nolan Ryan is not attributed to him - but the sport of baseball. While the dollar is NIFC - I doubt they'll do it - could - but I doubt it. Then again - of late our "leaders" seem to have their own agendas - so who really knows what foolishness they'll do.
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...so who really knows what foolishness they'll do
True. It seems their modus operandi is continual inaction.

I will change my statement from would to should. Congress should act to remove ambiguity to allow for a Reagan dollar.

For this to pass, the left will want something in return, explaining my vision of a Carter-Reagan compromise. Yes, it would set a dangerous precedent, but since when does Congress consider long term consequences?
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True the early halves with living people on them were commemoratives, but they also circulated.

As an aside, if Carter does die and we get Carter and Reagan dollars, we will also get Carter and Reagan First spouse coins and both of them are still living. While the legislation forbids depicting living or too recently dead Presidents on the dollars, it says nothing about living first spouses. So we could get two more commems with living people on them.
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Honestly, that Carter-Reagan compromise is about the only solution I see that makes good sense to do. Seriously, regardless of how little I like Reagan, dude's dead, so I have no problem giving him his coin when his turn comes up in the program (besides, it might get some people to shut up about putting him on the dime or half dollar, which would make me happy).

However, I hate the idea of the program getting there and having this gap. We go Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan (35, 36, 37, 38, 40) and that's just going to look bad. There's no way to make this program look good in the end and include all our dead presidents without including Carter, dead or alive. Looks shoddy to have that space there, and thirty, forty, a hundred years from now you'll have younger collectors wondering why there's this number - didn't they know how to count back then, did they just forget Carter was president (okay, sometimes this might actually be true)? And we'll be stuck having to explain over and over again that there was a weird thing with the law.

They should seriously just make a change to the law calling it the "First Forty Presidential dollar Series", stick Carter in there before Reagan, end the program with Reagan. When we're around president 54 or so, we can order in a "41st-50th Presidential dollar series" over, say, five years (2 a year) to keep things relatively current. Do that every ten presidents or so and you might get something nifty going. And it minimizes the amount of people who slip by and wind up still alive on Presidential dollars.

That's how I would do it, though.
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I say if Carter is still alive - end the dollars - and never revisit the program that - other than collectors no one really wants.

I also do not want to see a Reagan circulating coin - but I am not against Reagan - I just don't like the whole dead president celebration anymore. It is appearing more and more that our country is about the leaders and not the actual foundation of the country.
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Yeah, I say get rid of the presidents on coins too. But I'm not too opposed to a single program giving each president a coin, especially if we could limit the presidents to that one program. Boom, commemorative presidents on dollars series and we can go back to having nice art on our circulating coins.
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Considering that Bush the first has had several serious hospitalizations there is a chance we could end up with a living Carter then Regan and Bush both being eligible after wards. Considering that these coins dont circulate I would have no problem if they just said were going to run it through anyone not currently in office and call it a complete set that could be revisited later down the road when theres enough former presidents to justify it.
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In hindsight, it would have been better had the original legislation explicitly stated that Nixon would be the last. Additional legislation would be required for any of the presidents who were still living when the act passed in 2005 (Ford died the following year).
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Come on Jbuck you know they cant think that far ahead.

In fairness though changing these from circulated coins to NIFC gives them more leeway with what to do and probably would have required further clarification of action once the dollar coin was considered failed
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