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Edited by 7TF 06/12/2013 07:01 am
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IMHO,no.Looks like environmental damage,stained.What does it weigh?The edge looks interesting though. John1 
Edited by John1 06/12/2013 06:41 am
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It is definatly copper in some areas but there is a dark stain on the left side of the obverse and reverse.
It weighs 5.0 grams.
Edited by 7TF 06/12/2013 07:02 am
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I would like other opinions if there is anyone else here that might know about these.
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Just stained. By the way, the terms "sintered plating" and "copper wash" are no longer applicable to genuine examples because there is no sintering (fusion of copper dust) going on and the surface enrichment of copper has nothing to do with the rinse bath. It's all due to overheating the blanks.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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So the copper looking areas are just stained? I don't understand what you are saying about sintering or copper wash not being applicable. What are nickels with copper on them called then? By the way there is a stain on this coin but the copper is not a stain. Look at the rim, it looks like solid copper. Thanks for looking Mike.
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I found the info on a few different searches that this is actually an "improperly annealed planchet" http://www.coinworld.com/Articles/V...operly-annea The only thing in this article that applies to my coin is the 3rd picture of an improperly annealed nickel. Why do you believe my coin is not one of these improperly annealed planchets? I am going to have a professional grader look at it this weekend and I will report back with what he says it is.
Edited by 7TF 06/13/2013 6:48 pm
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@7TF - I looked at your photos yesterday and didn't know what to make of it. Looking at it again today...I kind of think it spent some time in a jar with copper coins and vinegar. People do some weird stuff trying to "tone" coins.
Anyway, the link you provided was a good one and the author of that article is the same Mike Diamond that replied to this thread earlier today. And while I'm no expert on the subject, he is. We're lucky to have him here.
Edited by Buddy 06/13/2013 6:44 pm
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Buddy, I've read all the stuff that people do to coins but this does not look like them. There is still some luster although it is a circulated coin. The copper on the rim looks like a solid copper core with a plating on it, but from what I read the alloys separate when the blanks are being made do to atmosphere causing solid copper in one area and other alloys in different areas. Sometimes the copper is thick enough it starts to peel off like int the photos in this link. http://www.error-ref.com/improper-annealing.htmlThe article by Mike Diamond in Coin World describes many different types of coins which some are not confirmed as anything. I would be more than happy to let anyone examine mine. The coin only cost me 5 cents and it don't look like these are worth much more than $20 in circulated condition anyway. This coin is different than most I have seen online but they are all unique. They are usually almost all copper looking or have very little copper this one is in the middle. I am also starting to wonder if the black color is not actually part of the coin and not a stain because sometimes the annealing process leaves them entirely black or partially black. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ERROR-Coin-...047675.l2557 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-BLACK-...047675.l2557 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-P-Kent...047675.l2557http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-P-Roos...em19dd9c2725Some of these coins I have linked to are not graded but I believe them to be true errors.
Edited by 7TF 06/13/2013 7:17 pm
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The blotchy appearance is inconsistent with an improper annealing error.
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I showed it to a pro coin grader online and he said it was most likely damage. He also said Mike knows more than he does about these.
I only have one last question. If it were damaged wouldn't it lose weight?
Edit* I guess that quesiton might not make sense since nothing is missing or has fallen off.
The dark spots are copper looking when tilted in different light. Does the copper sometimes turn darker color?
Edited by 7TF 06/13/2013 9:36 pm
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7TF. I don't know if this will help you or not but check out this link. https://goccf.com/t/136747 You may want to contact SPP-Ottawa from the Canadian Side of the forums... John1 
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Thanks John, I will try and contact that person and see if they want to view this coin in person. Kris
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Roger was very helpful with my coin,although the results were controversial.Good luck with your research. John1 
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