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new little coin I picked up, I'm technically on "coin hold" (i hate coin hold)...but I put in a low bid just for kicks and it won. I've been wantig one for a while now..


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chaulukyas of gujarat
1120-1210 ad
ar drachum
15mm, 4.3 g
o: head (nose is to right, lips just below)
r: abstract fire altar (the horizontal lines are the altar...pretty sure).

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Expanding a little on your coin....of which I have two!

Your dating might be more correct. Like all coins these were debased later on in order to stretch the silver while maintaining the desired weight. Yours is quite heavy. Heavier then both of mine. When selecting my piece, I was looking for one with the whole of the design on the coin, and this was not easy.


India
Saurashta and Gujarat
Anonymous Issue (800-950AD)
AR drachm 17.2 mm x 4.00 g
Obverse: Stylized bust of Khushrau right. With degraded dots for legends,
Reverse: Stylized Zoroastrian fire alter.
Ref: Mitchener 422





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06/14/2013 1:16 pm
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I have a book by Brian Hannon which show a series of these, which degenerated in style over a period of centuries.
The coin shown here is of a fairly degenerate style.

Acording to my reference, the prototype (first entry in Hannons book), for these was a dramma of about 640 A.D., of the Gurjarahs.
It shows the bust of the King (obv.) and a flaming fire altar between male and female attendants, moon and sun above.
However, the style of the prototype is very different from the pure Sassanian series of very thin drachm, and is obviously more 'Indian' in style than the Sassanian drachms..
The prototype for the coin pictured is classified in the 'Indo Sassanian' series.

The next entry in Hannon's book shows a dramma of the Pratiharas, around the period of 730 - 835 A.D., and shows a coin very similar in style to the coin pictured here. Weight abot 4 grammes.

The third entry in Hannon's book shows another example of the Pratiharas, that circulated in the area of Gujerat and Malwa, over a period of 780 - 900 A.D. Also of similar style.

The fourth entry is of a dramma of the Silharas, around the period of 900 - 1100 A.D., which curiously enough, is also of similar style to the coin pictured in this thread. Hannon's note to his fourth entry is VERY different in regards to what is depicted on the coin. He notes it as a
"Battle encounter between two horsemen, three casuties l., two further ones below. 'A charming example of native art!' Unfortunately, only a portion of the gory scene is displayed on each coin".

My comment: How it is possible to get from the description on Hannon's first entry to that of his fourth entry is beyond MY numismatic imagination! More research required.
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I have one of the mentioned coins.


Pratihara Supremacy
India
Pratikara - Pala
(780-980 AD)
21.5 mm x 4.13 g
Found in Gujarat and Malwa but no one knows the name of the issuing king.

You must ask yourself, what Persian king's coins made it all over Asia in large quantities and was subsequently copied for centuries.



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Nice coin Chris. I know what you mean about coin hold, I haven't bought a coin in a very long time and I don't know when I'll be able to again.
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Nice little coin, had you not told me what it was I would have wrongly assumed it was a Durotriges stater since it is very similar in style (particularly the reverse)



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thanks all,

i'll have to get a nice you like the one you posted AN...I'm missing about a 3rd of the coin.

they do have that similar abstract style to the durotriges coins don't they?

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I have a billon stater of the Durotriges. Vaguely similar style, but for entirely different reasons. Cost me $80, a couple of years ago.
The Durotriges staters are about 5 phases of develoment away from the gold Philip 11 staters of Macedon, which is the archetype for the Durotriges staters.
As a matter of fact, I also have one of the original gold staters as well. Mine came from Spink's of London, way back in 1978.
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