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Picked this up in a trade today. Thought I'd give BadThads polarity ladder a try to see if I can get this Lacquer or whatever the substance is...off. I have read the previous posts on the forum regarding lacquer removal...so I thought I'd be a bit more patient and see what you guys recommend. It's a beauty in hand but the substance is distracting...and pretty thick.

I posted a few different pics below. They are all the same coin. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get natural colored photos of a coin. Obviously not one of my strengths...frustrating.

Anyway thoughts? The darkening on the reverse could be the lacquer (hopefully) or the coin not really sure.




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ksmcents, nice high grade for a Key date, however, evident by hairlines on Obverse that coin's been harshly cleaned.

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Please explain..." BadThads polarity ladder" to me here.

Great coin in great shape...but that thick coating has got to go.

Then send it off for grading and hard plastic protection.
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Been a lurker here guys. I do enjoy viewing and learning about coins.
My mechanic buddy was showing me his new ultasonic cleaner, which he will use to clean carbs and such. Would using a device like that be a way to remove unwanted laquer. I know you would not want to use it on a non-problem coin as it would take away its patina but for something like laquer? Just a thought. Cheers Steelhead.
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evident by hairlines on Obverse that coin's been harshly cleaned.


That's actually the lacquer, it looks to be brushed on.


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Please explain..." BadThads polarity ladder" to me


Distilled Water
Acetone
Xylene

If no results...reverse order.

Xylene
Acetone

The thickness of the lacquer is obviously taking away from the detail of the coin and I've taken nearly 50 pictures of this piece and I'm unable to truly show how awesome this piece could be if the "coating" was removed.

My only concern on this piece is the darkening on the reverse. I think it's uncirculated buried in lacquer, but won't be able to honestly tell until the coating is removed.

A) I could do nothing and send it to NCS they will conserve it and have slabbed by NGC.

B) or I could play chemist in my kitchen and hope for the best. (As I type that out I realize how insane that sounds.)

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Here's another pic... I'm playing with lighting right now. The coin is red, bright red, like new. For some reason every pic I take though turns the coin this brownish color. I have no idea.





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Get the lacquer off and throw it up in ebay! Will come back from any grader as cleaned and probably not higher than AU. Not worth paying to slab this coin AU cleaned! Maybe 100 dollar value and would cost 30 bucks with shipping and so on to get it graded. Just my opinion!
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Judging by the rim, and leaf tips on the reverse, even if you remove the lacquer, you will find a circulated coin underneath. EF-45 at the most...

The colour on the reverse, was the colour on the reverse, when it was so poorly lacquered...

That said, being a circulated coin, there is probably not much original mint lustre left, just go ahead and soak it in a solvent. But, do not rub or pick the lacquer off - be patient with the solvent.
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Follow SPP's recommendations and you'll get to really see the surfaces ,...and never rub a copper coin.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I will attempt to remove the lacquer today. I apologize for the bad pics, I tried to no end yesterday to capture a true photo of this coin. Epic failure. The obverse is brilliant red, and the reverse has the brown spot issue. Today we will see (hopefully).

I do not sell, I only collect. This coin will never see the light of day again (in my lifetime). It will be placed in an airtite and in 20-30 years who knows and besides I really dislike slabbed coins. Pass the collection down my kids or sell it in retirement (18 years) undecided...lots of time to think about it.

I picked it up for nothing. Traded some junk silver I found coin roll hunting maybe $75 in total value. I figured minimum grade would be AU-50 if I could get the lacquer off. When I further inspected the coin under x20/ and X200 I'm leaning to AU-58 with a possible MS, impossible to really tell with the thickness of the lacquer.

Good news is that I am now only missing the 1923!! So very close to completion!
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Well the good news is the lacquer came right off with a couple quick dips in acetone...so it was most likely a nail polish.

That's about it for good news. It's definitely been cleaned, most likely polished with a metal cleaner. The coin was more eye appealing with the coating on.

The hairlines remained on the obverse and the darkening on the reverse looks like a burn mark.

EF-45 Cleaned would be a generous grade.

Oh well at least I have one. Place it on a window sill for a few years to tone it brown?

Thanks again for the replies.
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I guess that SPP nailed it,.. even with the coating on it.

Enjoy your key coin..
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Please share the post-lacquer removal pictures. This thread will be a good reference for future questions on lacquered cents.
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Updated pics...post removal.



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its actually not THAT bad
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