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1760 Patrona Bavariae Info Needed

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 Posted 06/15/2013  3:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jennyOH to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey folks! My husband and I are going through some coins his family has collected. One we are having trouble finding more information on is a Patrona Bavariae with a bust of Maximilian Joseph surrounded by the legend "D. G. MAX. IOS. U. B. [and on the right side] D. S. RIA & E. L. L. L."

On the reverse is the Virgin Mary crowned and on a sunburst. There is a scrape across the middle of the coin but you can see the head, crown, one arm and one leg of the baby Jesus in her lap. Around this is the legend "PATRONA BAVARIAE 1760".

The coin is gold colored (the photos are more or less true to color) and quite light (don't have a scale). I'm looking for information whether it is a genuine coin and what its value is, and any other interesting information. We've been told that the scrape across the Virgin Mary is from a folk tradition that part of the image - showing her nursing the baby Jesus - would be scraped off and added to milk to be drunk by nursing mothers. Anyone else heard this?!

Thanks in advance for your help! We're not specifically looking to sell right now but if anyone is looking to buy we'll think about it :D

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 Posted 06/16/2013  01:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyJames to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link to a shop selling an authentic version of that coin:
http://www.ma-shops.com/linnartz/it...5007&lang=en

It looks like it's trying to be a 1760 Bavaria Thaler coin, but it doesn't match up with the ones I see in the Krause manual or I see for sale in MA-shops. The coin is supposed to be silver. That coloring doesn't look right, even for toned silver. Then the coin is too round and perfectly centered for a coin from 1760. In addition, it has dots that go all the way around the border and authentic coins have that hashed (not sure the right word for it) edge. The edge/border is just not like any of the German thalers from that time period. The image of the madonna with child don't match the book examples of the coin, and don't seem similar to any other madonna thalers I've seen. They were made for many many years by Bavaria with a few different types. I hate to say it, but the whole coin just looks wrong to me.

There were Bavarian gold coins from that year that were minted, Ducats. But they have a totally different design and didn't have the madonna on them.

I am not an expert on these coins specifically, but having looked at even a few madonna thalers, this stands out as being some sort of fake. I don't know much more than that, maybe someone else could chime in.


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