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Marc Antony/Cleopatra Roman Coin Help Needed

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 Posted 05/24/2007  6:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mag to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently acquired a roman coin, as a complete newbie to the world of coin collecting I now find myself lost as to how to go about verifying its authenticity etc.

Any help would be appreciated :)

An internet search lasting quite a few hours revealed this coin

http://www.cngcoins.com/Bid.aspx?ITEM_ID=103749

its the same type of coin I have except mine looks in far better condition and shows more detail.


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My scanner doesn't do the coin justice, its a lot better than the pics show.
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 Posted 05/24/2007  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is very, very hard to tell much from the scans. From my first impression, I would guess that it is a modern reproduction. The fields look too flat, toning too even, and the coin just doesn't have the irregularities characteristic of an ancient coin. I could be wrong, we need a better picture. It is unlisted in ForgeryNetwork. There are some genuine examples in Wildwinds.
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 Posted 05/24/2007  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the reply, I tried to get a better pic but my digi camera just makes it look blurred, I'll try a friends.

I did find a copy of a similar coin that is also unlisted on those databases here, but its still not a match for mine

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Denarius-of-M...py_W0QQitemZ250114559439QQihZ015QQcategoryZ4734QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 Posted 05/25/2007  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a cast fake of this type reported on the FORVM fake database, it looks fairly porous and grainy - a typical cast fake. I can't tell if your coin has a similar texture. Being a coin depicting two of the most famous people in antiquity, it's probably been copied quite a lot down through the ages.

Your next step for verifying authenticity would be to post some nice clear pictures of your coin on the FORVM fakes forum. If you bought this coin on ebay, there's also a list of known sellers of fake ancient coins there on that forum.

If you want personal verification of your coin, one of the most widely respected is David Sear's Ancient Coin Certification Service. It costs US$40 and you have to ship it to America, so I'd only go to such lengths if there were at least some indications from the forums that it was likely to be genuine.

In the UK, the British Museum offers an identification service, which is free (which is awfully nice of them), but they're not in any position to offer a guarantee on the coins they authenticate.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sap,

I think you have saved me a lot of time,when I compare my coin to the one on the fake database I can see a few marks that exist on both coins, the main one being a cut on the right hand edge of the marc antony side.

Mine doesn't look so porous and it has a more defined detail on marc antony's neck.

All in all though I would now guess its a fake.

On the plus side I've learned quite a bit about roman coins over the past few days and I've enjoyed it,so much in fact that I'm now going to get my deceased uncles coin collection out of the cupboard where it has been gathering dust and see what I can find out about the 200 or so walletted coins he had collected.
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 Posted 05/25/2007  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t360 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mag,
The members of CFDL (Coin Forgeries Discussion List) on yahoo groups will also give you valuable information on authenticity if you can provide a clearer picture or scanner image.
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 Posted 05/26/2007  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AnemicOak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're near the British Museum they'll take a look & give you an opinion (at least they used to). A clearer image would be very helpful as far as getting help online goes.

I messed with your image a bit, but it really need to be a bigger scan (scan at like 200-300%).
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 Posted 06/01/2007  5:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mag to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've tried everything to get the scanner to scan without losing detail and going out of focus, this image is the best it can do, I scanned it at its highest res but it has still flattened and blurred some detail.

Also in order to see more detail I have applied a sharpen mask and this has introduced a lot of grain into the pics making it look even more like the fake coin.



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